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Completing the Project Plan before a scout starts is an outstanding idea. Read the verbiage on the Project Plan cover sheet. Also the last section in the PP is for the coach to review the plan and see that the scout is ready to execute. The information paper given the sponsor speaks to the sponsor seeing the PP before execution as well. This is to ensure there are no surprises or misunderstandings between them.

What are the three different projects? Interesting that three scouts from three troops are converging at the same place and same time. A sponsor can dictate when a work day takes place. Of course if the scout is communicating with his sponsor he will know this well in advance. If the SM has some legitimate reasons he should say what they are and not make blanket statements. Of course if your son has been in this troop for awhile, this should surprise no one.

Wow...amazing how fast the councils are trying to separate themselves from National. All the notices are almost identical as if "someone" had prepared a boilerplate for each council. We hope National can get out of their mess but it's not our problem.

The reactions I have seen from some council executives are "don't worry...be happy". We are separate from National so this really problem doesn't affect us much so keep giving us money. Is this a bit naive? The Catholic Dioceses are analogous to Councils. They are the ones who victims are suing, not the Vatican (National).

Momleader..I don't see anyone that doesn't want to help the scout with his drug issue. The issue the OP is asking about is should a scout engaging in criminal behavior get a pass to Eagle rank. His feeling is no and so if he doesn't personally feel he can sign his application or have a SMC, there is a Disputed EBOR procedure for that process to occur. Maybe there should be a process where the scout can be given an extension until he gets himself straightened out and then hold the EBOR???

In the Guide to Safe Scouting, there are actually very few things that are listed as a reason to revoke a Scout's membership, and most of them relate to violence: "All members of the Boy Scouts of America are expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the principles set forth in the Scout Oath and Scout Law. Physical violence, hazing, bullying, theft, verbal insults, and drugs and alcohol have no place in the Scouting program and may result in the revocation of a Scout’s membership in the unit." In reality you will likely get no support from anyone up the chain to revoke membership up to and including national even if the scout is arrested, lies to the police, his parents and his EBOR. He will still be given his rank. So since you feel strongly about this don't have a SMC or sign his Eagle application and let the process in the Guide to Advancement run it's course. If that results in you needing to move on, come over to our unit. We don't expect any personal responsibility and accountability from the youth any longer. The BSA uses the word "may" not "will". The scout being bullied is the one who leaves the program not the other way around.

Curious..what was the paper they wanted your son to sign?

No that is not the proper procedure. Signature from him? Boards do not reconvene after they made a decision. Sounds like they held their own appeal board. Maybe they read this forum topic. 😀 Too bad they put the scout through an unnecessary anxiety. Did the caller apologize?

MikeS72...."The only person required to be registered members of BSA is the Life Scout whose project it is" Actually no: 9.0.2.14 Risk Management and Eagle Scout Service Projects All Eagle Scout service projects constitute official Scouting activity and thus are subject to Boy Scouts of America policies and procedures. Projects are considered part of a unit’s program and are treated as such with regard to policies, procedures, and requirements regarding Youth Protection, two-deep leadership, etc. Unit leadership should be aware of project plans and schedules. The health and safety of those working on Eagle projects must be integrated into project execution. Since an Eagle Scout service project is a unit activity, unit adult leadership has the same responsibility to assure safety in conducting a project as with any other unit activity. The unit leader or unit committee should reject proposals for inherently unsafe projects. The candidate should plan for safe execution, but it must be understood that minors cannot and must not be held responsible for safety concerns. As with any Scouting activity, the Guide to Safe Scouting applies. The “Sweet 16 of BSA Safety” must also be consulted as an appropriate planning tool. It can be found online at “Scouting Safely,” www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/sweet16.

T-bird...didn't say it was wrong only trying to suggest what the EBOR member might have been thinking.

The Scout has the right to appeal and should do so. Familiarize yourself with Chapter 8 of the Guide to Advancement. Chapter 9 covers the Eagle Project evaluation. The EBOR owes the scout correspondence on why they made their decision. Your appeal is based on the reason. One of the items that does raise some eyebrows is the EP only requires the scout to lead "others" which is defined as 2. This has been interpreted as that a scout could do his project with his parents (assuming both are BSA Registered). This makes no sense by many (including me) and may have contributed to the EBOR member questioning how much leadership was done. What they should have done is since the scout is 14 is to suspend the EBOR and ask the scout to come back with more clarification . Once they voted, the recourse is appeal.

It is clear that the time is 17 months as there are lots of units working on how to get the first girl Eagle. This is a tag line on why the BSA is admitting girls and adding a special extension program. Journey...not important or necessary.

If a scout' s project is a collection project with four separate locations, does he need 8 deep leadership?

His Star rank date is June. GTA para 9.0.1.3 last paragraph applies.

Just wonder if the girls will not do Venture advancement since they can switch to Eagle requirements. Might see a drop in ventures so they can make first class?

What do folks think the impact on Venture advancement will be with the new Eagle extension program?

This is the BSA Franchise organizational method they use. If you are in their area you are trapped regardless of the level or non level of service and communication you receive. The method of shutting down and restarting is an option but unless you get a new sponsor, the new council will likely not take you in due to the secret handshakes and your support will get worse from your current council.

Ever since the BSA used "so girls can earn Eagle" as one of the major talking points in their decision process, I have seen a number of folks wondering if Eagle is all about just checking the blocks off. Scouts are a heck of a lot more than Eagle but this new waiver seems to diverge from this. Saw a post that this waiver will cut down on the "stretching" of requirements. Eagle evidently has become the Aim of Scouting. Also trying to see how a college student will be a viable member of her troop. Lots of students around here use their sophomore year to go abroad , which a number of schools require. This will be the time the Eagle Project would happen. Maybe the Lone Scout program will be modified to include college students. Juat my opinion.

Does any of this really surprise anyone? All waivers/extensions will be approved. There will be those who are already high school graduates join and do their 24 months as a college student.

What is the source document that shows the number of girls to date? Thanks.

With the October 1st Eight-deep 21 and above registered leadership of all official scout activities will the requirement to serve as a MBC be changed from 18 to 21?

Saltface....Yes Professionals should be providing units customer service, communication, quality programs and innovation, working with their units and taking accountability for their metrics. WE are the customers...not the other way around. Sounds like your District volunteers may be receiving some of these but where do they get current information..likely from the DE.

The impression of a good number of volunteers is that the Professionals in council are woefully unprepared to serve their customers. We see no Customer service, Poor or non-existent communication, lack of quality programs (you know good programs actually improve new members and retention), no innovation, not really knowing how to leverage their 99% volunteer workforce, blame the unit for not making goals on FOS or popcorn or not signing up for events when no information is provided on theme, location etc. Do you get training in these are or do the DEs/DDs/SEs just ignore it? Also the Franchise model on individual feifdoms that councils have is outdated and there no real way to transfer your unit to a different district or council when you get poor service like you can in other areas. So units "retrench" and just do their own program and only interface when absolutely necessary because they see no value added. I don't see anyone "hating" professionals unless they are vindictive and retaliatory. They all seem to use the "thank you all for what you do in scouting" tag line but it is used over and over sounds insincere.

In looking at various forums/sites it is interesting that there are posts such as Only 2% LDS in our council, only affects 200 scouts in our council, no big deal here business as usual, scouts will just roll into non LDS troops, the girls will make up for all the losses etc . Heads in the sand....If you don't think this decision will not adversely affect all councils and individual units think some more.

Scouts BSA reminds me of when Kentucky Fried Chicken became KFC. Some one asked me who we send the bill to when we have to change our Boy Scout Troop Flag, t-shirts, bolo, trailer, letterhead etc