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I have never seen the purpose in this infrastructure of commissioners. Scouting is not a college degree program. I would just like to see commissioners who actually are current on the programs. When you have a "Doctorate" who doesn't know about the Eagle Project process they have no value added to units.

Carbenez: "The sad thing is....the guy is not intentionally malicious or obstructive" Please help us all understand how this guy is not being an obstructionist given your multiple postings detailing your sons proposal. There are procedures for handling this and you have to decide to either inform him that you are going to use them or live with his antics Best of luck to your sons.

Carbenez...call the scout executive and tell him you are going to file a YP bullying complaint on the SM. Inform your COR, DE and Council Advancement Chair. Enough of this clown.

I heard that all Council girl numbers are up this year.

Carbenz....you shifted gears from your original post about three project at the same date to the SM requiring his approval for the Project Plan before execution. Even though the Project Plan is not "approved" the sponsor can stop (disapprove) the project if they don't think the scout has all the bases covered. The grilling of a scout for hours is why the current process was started as scouts were giving up after multiple and unnecessary trivial changes were being required before signatures.

Completing the Project Plan before a scout starts is an outstanding idea. Read the verbiage on the Project Plan cover sheet. Also the last section in the PP is for the coach to review the plan and see that the scout is ready to execute. The information paper given the sponsor speaks to the sponsor seeing the PP before execution as well. This is to ensure there are no surprises or misunderstandings between them.

What are the three different projects? Interesting that three scouts from three troops are converging at the same place and same time. A sponsor can dictate when a work day takes place. Of course if the scout is communicating with his sponsor he will know this well in advance. If the SM has some legitimate reasons he should say what they are and not make blanket statements. Of course if your son has been in this troop for awhile, this should surprise no one.

Wow...amazing how fast the councils are trying to separate themselves from National. All the notices are almost identical as if "someone" had prepared a boilerplate for each council. We hope National can get out of their mess but it's not our problem.

The reactions I have seen from some council executives are "don't worry...be happy". We are separate from National so this really problem doesn't affect us much so keep giving us money. Is this a bit naive? The Catholic Dioceses are analogous to Councils. They are the ones who victims are suing, not the Vatican (National).

Momleader..I don't see anyone that doesn't want to help the scout with his drug issue. The issue the OP is asking about is should a scout engaging in criminal behavior get a pass to Eagle rank. His feeling is no and so if he doesn't personally feel he can sign his application or have a SMC, there is a Disputed EBOR procedure for that process to occur. Maybe there should be a process where the scout can be given an extension until he gets himself straightened out and then hold the EBOR???

In the Guide to Safe Scouting, there are actually very few things that are listed as a reason to revoke a Scout's membership, and most of them relate to violence: "All members of the Boy Scouts of America are expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the principles set forth in the Scout Oath and Scout Law. Physical violence, hazing, bullying, theft, verbal insults, and drugs and alcohol have no place in the Scouting program and may result in the revocation of a Scout’s membership in the unit." In reality you will likely get no support from anyone up the chain to revoke membership up to and including national even if the scout is arrested, lies to the police, his parents and his EBOR. He will still be given his rank. So since you feel strongly about this don't have a SMC or sign his Eagle application and let the process in the Guide to Advancement run it's course. If that results in you needing to move on, come over to our unit. We don't expect any personal responsibility and accountability from the youth any longer. The BSA uses the word "may" not "will". The scout being bullied is the one who leaves the program not the other way around.

Curious..what was the paper they wanted your son to sign?

No that is not the proper procedure. Signature from him? Boards do not reconvene after they made a decision. Sounds like they held their own appeal board. Maybe they read this forum topic. 😀 Too bad they put the scout through an unnecessary anxiety. Did the caller apologize?

MikeS72...."The only person required to be registered members of BSA is the Life Scout whose project it is" Actually no: 9.0.2.14 Risk Management and Eagle Scout Service Projects All Eagle Scout service projects constitute official Scouting activity and thus are subject to Boy Scouts of America policies and procedures. Projects are considered part of a unit’s program and are treated as such with regard to policies, procedures, and requirements regarding Youth Protection, two-deep leadership, etc. Unit leadership should be aware of project plans and schedules. The health and safety of those working on Eagle projects must be integrated into project execution. Since an Eagle Scout service project is a unit activity, unit adult leadership has the same responsibility to assure safety in conducting a project as with any other unit activity. The unit leader or unit committee should reject proposals for inherently unsafe projects. The candidate should plan for safe execution, but it must be understood that minors cannot and must not be held responsible for safety concerns. As with any Scouting activity, the Guide to Safe Scouting applies. The “Sweet 16 of BSA Safety” must also be consulted as an appropriate planning tool. It can be found online at “Scouting Safely,” www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/sweet16.

T-bird...didn't say it was wrong only trying to suggest what the EBOR member might have been thinking.

The Scout has the right to appeal and should do so. Familiarize yourself with Chapter 8 of the Guide to Advancement. Chapter 9 covers the Eagle Project evaluation. The EBOR owes the scout correspondence on why they made their decision. Your appeal is based on the reason. One of the items that does raise some eyebrows is the EP only requires the scout to lead "others" which is defined as 2. This has been interpreted as that a scout could do his project with his parents (assuming both are BSA Registered). This makes no sense by many (including me) and may have contributed to the EBOR member questioning how much leadership was done. What they should have done is since the scout is 14 is to suspend the EBOR and ask the scout to come back with more clarification . Once they voted, the recourse is appeal.

It is clear that the time is 17 months as there are lots of units working on how to get the first girl Eagle. This is a tag line on why the BSA is admitting girls and adding a special extension program. Journey...not important or necessary.

If a scout' s project is a collection project with four separate locations, does he need 8 deep leadership?

His Star rank date is June. GTA para 9.0.1.3 last paragraph applies.

Just wonder if the girls will not do Venture advancement since they can switch to Eagle requirements. Might see a drop in ventures so they can make first class?

What do folks think the impact on Venture advancement will be with the new Eagle extension program?

This is the BSA Franchise organizational method they use. If you are in their area you are trapped regardless of the level or non level of service and communication you receive. The method of shutting down and restarting is an option but unless you get a new sponsor, the new council will likely not take you in due to the secret handshakes and your support will get worse from your current council.

Ever since the BSA used "so girls can earn Eagle" as one of the major talking points in their decision process, I have seen a number of folks wondering if Eagle is all about just checking the blocks off. Scouts are a heck of a lot more than Eagle but this new waiver seems to diverge from this. Saw a post that this waiver will cut down on the "stretching" of requirements. Eagle evidently has become the Aim of Scouting. Also trying to see how a college student will be a viable member of her troop. Lots of students around here use their sophomore year to go abroad , which a number of schools require. This will be the time the Eagle Project would happen. Maybe the Lone Scout program will be modified to include college students. Juat my opinion.

Does any of this really surprise anyone? All waivers/extensions will be approved. There will be those who are already high school graduates join and do their 24 months as a college student.

What is the source document that shows the number of girls to date? Thanks.