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@mds3dRemember you signed the Eagle Workbook saying you had read the entire workbook which includes following the above paragraph 9.0.2.14

@Eagle94-A1 The photo idea is brilliant!

@ParkMan that clarifies it for me. Now I understand why DEs standard answer is "that's not me".

@ParkMan and @carebear3895 If DEs have no influence at the council level why do we need them?

@Eagle94-A1 As long as your son has completed his Eagle requirements and submitted his application, he does not need to be registered at the time of his EBOR. GTA 9.0.1.1

Unscientific poll....at what level of increase in the national fee do you believe members will decide to or need to quit?

I'm sure they have done the analysis on how much each dollar of increase will reduce the number of those who will join or recharter. 🤔

Stick to the requirements...no more no less. Has he actually read the MB pamphlet? The program is for the scout to improve in each of the original exercise tests...if he doesn't due to a poor exercise program...No MB.

@RichardB So help me out here...from National's area of influence, at what point to Incident reports generate a compliance document? Since councils are not required to comply with incident reports the Camp Directors and Scout Execs they can ignore them. Seems disjointed. Anyway...thanks for the responses...always good to learn how things work.

@RichardB Thanks for your response.... What is the national's process to have all these ga ga pits that are on BSA property and are not in compliance with what you said either removed or corrected? Admittedly my data set is small but three BSA camps I have been to with these pits are on dirt or asphalt. All of these camps were fully certified. I just did a google image search on ga ga pits and there were also numerous Eagle projects not in compliance either (I did see one where there was mulch inside up as high as the top of the 2nd board). There are lots of cool things in BSA publications from the early days. One of my favorites is the required 14 mile hike either solo or with one other scout for 1st class. 🙂

RichardB I saw someone post this on facebook Please explain incident #4 https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/incident-report/incident-reviews/gaga-ball/ It says the mulch or sand much be 2 FEET in depth in the pit. Pits are almost always made with 3 2x10" boards so you would only have 6 inches inside the pit???? Also another person posted a book on Scout Games written by a Scout Exec in Hartford in the 1920s listing Dodge Ball as one of the allowed games...any record on when this was changed?

That is the response we should all have expected from the merit badge folks. The "requirements cannot be added to or subtracted from " statement is in my earlier reference book (1911). my experience is that councils have no clue on this. BSA should have pulled all these blast cars and taken the wording off them.

Just wondering how many of your scouts do not want an ECOH and maybe why or what you did.

Excellent question. Recommend you cut and paste your posting and email to merit.badge@scouting.org and advancement.team@scouting.org to get a response. I believe that the scout store is using the MB as a marketing tool. We have used these at a troop meeting for fun when the webelos 2 visited.

It's time to revisit the franchise model so units have the option to choose which council they want to be in.

Cburkhardt....the BSA franchise model will not allow a unit to pick its council or district regardless if the unit or units are getting poor or no customer service even if they are on the border of another council.

An interesting note further down in the article referring to the FAQ transition document. (Any one seen this?) "it instructed local church leaders not to recruit adults or youth or distribute materials to those interested in remaining in scouts"

Bees are in the Environmental Science MB and Insect Study MB as options.

Yes. My thought is that Seems unlikely that the requirements done "since a scout" could have been correctly done in a couple of hours after midnight since the cyberchip requires a little more effort. I heard that units finished all but the PT 30 day requirements for Tenderfoot on their Saturday campout. Yeech!

And here we go. TV bit tonight about a girl troop who were inducted into Scouts BSA in the dark and all had already earned their Scout Badge. All before they went to school. The one girl was a teenager so clearly wasn't a Cub. Not sure how the Cyber Chip could be earned in the dark.

I have never seen the purpose in this infrastructure of commissioners. Scouting is not a college degree program. I would just like to see commissioners who actually are current on the programs. When you have a "Doctorate" who doesn't know about the Eagle Project process they have no value added to units.

Carbenez: "The sad thing is....the guy is not intentionally malicious or obstructive" Please help us all understand how this guy is not being an obstructionist given your multiple postings detailing your sons proposal. There are procedures for handling this and you have to decide to either inform him that you are going to use them or live with his antics Best of luck to your sons.

Carbenez...call the scout executive and tell him you are going to file a YP bullying complaint on the SM. Inform your COR, DE and Council Advancement Chair. Enough of this clown.

I heard that all Council girl numbers are up this year.

Carbenz....you shifted gears from your original post about three project at the same date to the SM requiring his approval for the Project Plan before execution. Even though the Project Plan is not "approved" the sponsor can stop (disapprove) the project if they don't think the scout has all the bases covered. The grilling of a scout for hours is why the current process was started as scouts were giving up after multiple and unnecessary trivial changes were being required before signatures.