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Got it...this just looks like Congress passing an "emergency continuing resolution" for another 3 months. Let me know if there are any UMC scouts who want to come over to our troop.

@SiouxRanger and @MikeS72 Have not heard the National Catholic Committee on Scouting say anything about not rechartering. Of course some Diocese may have decided that on their own. Ours has not. Remember when the gay youth membership decision was made a few Bishops stopped troops in lieu of Trail Life. Also individual Pastors can decide not to recharter as well.

Can anyone from the UMC side of this explain why the Church and the BSA are essentially jerking around their scouts with this unnecessary extension of rechartering?

Thanks. I wonder if all CO that have a case currently under litigation have been contacted explaining their liability. If your CO has no cases, they will still drop scouts as lots of them have already done. The 40% loss of membership suggests that parents are tired. I cant find the post or even which topic it was in and maybe I read it wrong but it seemed to say there could be a fee levied on COs. Someone tongue in cheek said the national charter fee will go from $75 to $7500 in 2023.

@Skeptic....depends on who gets the bill. Still hearing that each CO will be presented a bill. Estimated 3000 UMC COs still standing so that's 10,000 each. I asked one of my Methodist church sponsored units friend whose units just went out of business. He was fairly sure not many UMC CO's would continue if presented with a fee like that. So hopefully the UMC has deep pockets. On the other side, it is good to see they feel the BSA still fits in their youth programs. Other COs will leave as well especially the smaller ones or "friends of" types if they get a bill. This mess continues! 😒

Methodists on board for a small ($30m) fee.😉

Keep us posted. Does this possibly mean that each CO will get a bill? Lots will leave the program.

The current status is "the song that never ends".

If sashes or tattoos raise revenue for national, they'll do it! 🤑

Yes I have seen this. Just wondering if there is any change given the methodists payment.

Anyone heard what the Catholic Church might be doing ?

Another almost 100 pages on this topic. I know Baden Powell said Scouting is a game but this game is getting ridiculous. 2 steps forward, 5 steps back. Seemed like when there was an announcement on how much each council had to contribute, maybe the end was close...but I guess not.

Quick look comparing the Jan 21 "final" requirements and these Terms Bigotry, Intersectionality, Section in welcoming environment that lists gender identity, sexual orientation - GONE Choose organization that promotes positive change such as WOSM - GONE Public presentation on community efforts - GONE Attend an event - GONE Create a Pledge - GONE - how you will act if you witness bigotry or hate Discuss careers MB can probably be done sitting around a campfire.

Catholic unit.

So the NCCS statement basically is telling catholic units to keep the Charter Org model and stay away from the facilities one unless you want someone else to control your unit. My friend got a mailing from National's lawyers asking if his unit wanted to contribute to the victims fund and what insurance option he wanted. Anyone else get one of these packages? So what really happens if this is voted down? Does the bill each council got become void and start over?

Lots of info to try and digest. Question though: Are the amounts required from the councils locked in concrete? Seems like that could blow up and be reopened. Thanks to those who continue to track this.

Very interesting numbers by council. Some are all cash, some all property. A lot are more than 50% property so you can see who's going to sell I guess. Only about 30% of the councils have numbers higher than the 600M/250 = $2.4 per council that was floating around. 13M in properties for Orange county is only one latrine at their camp. 😉

Once you realize the LC EBs are lemmings to the SE, a lot of the "top secret management" will become clear. My B-I-L's EB voted a gentleman back on the EB who had passed away. "all in favor...say aye"

GTA 2021 is on scouting.org. They no longer have a section with what has changed so in my quick look: Para 4.0.0.1 removed the reference to the old Requirements books. Says the first place to check for the current requirements list is the web, not the Handbook or Merit badge Pamphlet. (No need for MBPs or Handbooks any longer) 6.0.0.4 Registration should be done online. BSA ID numbers are not unique to councils anymore. (Good) 7.0.3.0 The Process of Counseling Acknowledgment that while in person activities are preferred they are not required; (so do all the virtual MBs you want ) and counselors now have an obligation to ask the Scout if they have met with their unit leader first. (yeah right) 8.0.0.1 Purpose and Timeliness of Boards of Review… Any advancement errors discovered after a board of review must not be held against a Scout in considering any future advancement, even if requirements were not properly completed. (Scouts have no accountability to know the rules - Blame the adults is the way to go) 8.0.3.1 Eagle Scout Board of Review Beyond the 18th Birthday. An Eagle Scout board of review may occur, without special approval, within three up to 24 months after a Scout’s 18th birthday. (24 months!! That will make the average age of an Eagle surpass 18 years old since the age is calculated from EBOR date to birthday.) 9.0.4.0 Time Extensions...3 tests to consider. Council can approve now #1 Interesting that they now allow that a Scout can have “refocused on advancement” as a criteria. So that Scout who remained active in the Troop the whole time but took 5 years to get from Tenderfoot to Second Class would be eligible for consideration for an extension now since there is not enough time to get the 16 months from 1st to Eagle. #2 A circumstance came Through no fault or choice of the Scout, an unforeseen circumstance or life-changing event #3 Misinformation from adults in positions of authority. )E.g. blame the adults...no accountability or responsibility by the scout is expected or required) National always took the approach that an extension should not be granted until proven otherwise; now, the standard is reversed, and councils should plan to grant the extension until proven otherwise. (Verbage used to say that the scout has a BSA handbook and is expected to read it..this is eliminated) There is lots of other changes some just reordered or swapping sentences around but I found these to be the most interesting

So when do we see Exhibit C...LC contributions?

I'm assuming nothing happened on this at the NAM???

Yep that extra $25 worked out well since now there are less Cub Scouts than Scouts BSA in the program.

And the national fee is scheduled to go up and councils can add a matching fee and and and.... My friend did a look at the entire report (he has) and points out that about 25% of councils have 1000 or less youth. Need a lot of exponential doubling for these councils.

Yes. 2021 March KPI report that the summary page numbers were shared with me. March 2020 to March 2021 comparison. I'm guessing the 2021 numbers are post rechartering. Cubs Scouts BSA V/SS Explorers Total 2021 348738 369716 13832 16787 749073 2020 641939 417360 25399 58311 1143009

Cynic....mine are end of March 2021.