It seems you are more experienced in cub scouts, but I’ll ask anyway. We actually built a catapult this weekend, and they wanted nothing to do with it... what’s more exciting then launching something from a contraption you made? How do you get a 13-14 year old to be interested in knots, first aid, etc.? Speaking of first aid, we do scenarios, we do activities about it, and they practice. We follow the EDGE, but there’s no letter to gain appeal of the subject.