Eagle1993

The video was helpful, thanks! One interesting point ... as of April 12 (if there are no delays) ... the plan goes effective. That means we will start seeing assets transfer from the BSA to the trust. Artwork, mineral rights, cash payments, council properties, etc. Council Contribution hitting April 12: $300M in cash $200M in Property $125M Note The $200M of property must be put up for sale within 30 days of the effective date. Does anyone know where to find the final property list? I'm sure some have already been listed, but we may be in for a jolt by mid May.

BSA is back to $81M of net unrestricted liquidity, or $37M less than end of February 2022. While I think they would be in serious trouble if the bankruptcy went completely off the rails, they should be fine waiting out any appeals process (even it if takes a considerable amount of time).

Just adding on to the above. Lujan, insurers & Dumas/Vaughn all filed for an emergency stay. Basically, if the stay is not issued by April 12, it looks like an automatic stay will expire. In any case, it seems like all parties are aligned that April 11th will be the last date to issue a stay, or the plan goes effective, and appeals could become an issue as they are equitably moot. 35a6786a-ce37-448e-aeb0-e5d7a2b29666_152.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com) 931640e6-44d5-4b85-b697-11a865328923_154.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com)

I would put in a recommendation for TroopTrack. We recently looked at switching and decided against Scoutbook as only registered members can be in our Troop. We typically add in potential new scouts (AOL 1 year before cross over) and keep a large alumni group updated on an ongoing basis. Since Scoutbook doesn't enable these features, we stayed with TroopTrack. TroopTrack works well for us; however, the performance isn't quite up to where it was in the past (which is why we started looking at Scoutbook).

There was no expert who testified to any value above Bates. Note that the insurers have no motivation to claim a higher value. That leaves a few claimants who could likely not afford the experts and analysis to prove Bates wrong. I believe in addition to YPT the TCC also got the agreement for the alternative path. That path technically allows full payment of any claim removing the limits of the matrix. I think it is too early to know if it is fully funded. However, I'd recommend getting in early as possible.

This topic hit the end as the next phase has been reached.

I think the big question is if a court issues a stay during the appeal to this decision (assuming there is one). Without a stay, it is hard to imagine an appeal not being moot.

Any guess as to when District will come back? It seems like we should be prepared for months, but not sure what the typical response time would be.

This was passed and signed March 2022. This is where I struggle. The Lenape elected officials are asking groups to stop. Now, this document doesn't specifically call out OA, but I have a guess what they would say. Res-2022-08 (1).pdf

So if Brad KillsCrow told BSA to stop using NA references in OA, we should stop? What has his input been?

If National BSA would like to partner with Native Americans, they cannot go to 500+ different tribes. They would need engagement & agreement from the largest Nations. If they are on board and see benefit, then I think something can be done on the national level. If this group isn't interested, then BSA is probably better off just breaking the relationship. The easier and more likely path is for BSA to simply stop all NA imagery. Before doing that, I think reaching out to 10 leaders who represent nearly half of all Native Americans could provide an alternate solution.

Cherokee 729,533 Navajo 298,197 Latin American Indian 180,940 Choctaw 158,774 Sioux 153,360 Chippewa 149,669 Apache 96,833 Blackfeet 85,750 Iroquois 80,822 Pueblo 74,085

Personally, I think we should go to leaders of the largest nations in the USA and ask them what we should consider doing. I could see changing Indian Lore to be more about current native Americans. Perhaps sharing use of camps for Pow wows. Service projects in reservations. etc. Perhaps that could lead to NAs leaders also talking/teaching their history and other partnerships. I would hate to see a complete break, but I do agree change is needed.

Missed this comment. Based on the questions it really does seem like these are the two paths. Ditch the themes completely or meet with tribal leaders to see if something can be worked out. That could still lead to major changes. I don't expect status quo will remain.

Very good point. Why Are Indigenous Leaders Called Chiefs? (ictinc.ca) Not all OA lodges have close ties with NA tribes ... in fact, from what I can see, most do not. Many areas have tribes that were kicked out and pushed into Oklahoma. Just look at the map of Indian reservations link. Most of the east coast has very small or nonexistent reservations. How would an OA lodge in Pennsylvania have a relationship with a tribe? Head West and there are many more options. Florida has some options as well. Based on the survey questions ... I highly doubt no changes are coming. My rough guess is they are considering 3 paths: Path A ... Simply give up on NA references & usage ... just move on. Path B ... Engage with NA community to strengthen the bond. That will likely mean eliminating some NA aspects of the program and possibly bringing in others. Path C ... minimal changes (for example, eliminating council non approved NA programs, but leaving in National programs untouched)

I am not an active OA member but received the survey. Questions were about OA, Indian Lore MB, camp names, council names, any and all NA usage.

Watch your email inbox... Survey is starting to make the rounds. Dear Scouters, The BSA continuously evaluates the relevance of its program to ensure that it remains engaging for youth and families throughout the country. Native American traditions have been a part of the BSA program, particularly within the Order of the Arrow, for more than a century. As we move forward, BSA is conducting a broad assessment of what role those traditions should play in the future. We’d like you to take the attached survey to provide your perspective on this important issue. No related decisions have been made. The BSA is in the early stages of assessing the issues and your responses will be used as part of that assessment. The survey will take approximatly 5 minutes to complete. Thank you for your feedback. If you have any questions about the survey, please contact David Verbraska, BSA’s Executive Vice President, Chief Communications and Marketing Officer. Yours in Scouting, Roger Mosby BSA President and CEO Chief Scout Executive

Will this form apply to the $3500 quick payout option? I'm curious how that will be handled.

I was wondering when BSA was going to start this process. I question if it would have any impact on the district court, but I know some professors/reporters on bankruptcy have stated appeals can run into trouble if the court determines the appeal is moot. As you state, if BSA basically says there is no other path left because everyone already paid into the plan and the plan started, the court (unless it acts quickly) would kill the appeal even if it could have some merits. I guess the risk would be if the court tells BSA too bad, you shouldn't have started, but BSA would be in serious trouble regardless, so it is pretty much 0 risk for starting it now. I think this might also be a sign that BSA is assuming district will confirm the plan. With the announcement of Mosby's retirement, start of the trust ... I believe BSA has decided to start implementing their exit strategy. Finally ... fully agree this is good for survivors. The alternative to the current plan is endless lawsuits, less money and lack of resolution.

Perhaps the most important hire in BSA history. Given BSA's situation, I don't know if they can survive if the get a bad leader. Any membership or financial buffer is gone. I am definitely open to outside leaders. I also wonder if there is a council out there that is run exceptionally well. There could be some great internal leaders.

The search for Roger Mosby's replacement has begun. BSA-Search-committee-initial-letter-final-02-07-2023.pdf

Some do through "Friends of...". I know we did that for our unit for a few years. However, when we looked at liability (among other reasons) we became concerned and found a CO. Some entity needs to be directly responsible for the unit. Feb 8th The Milwaukee archdiocese announced they will stop charter agreements starting Jan 1 2024.

My Troop also pays the leaders' registration fees. We have one primary fundraiser that does very well. Part of the profit goes to scout accounts. The other goes to Troop expenses which includes adult fees. The $0 MBC was really about not charging the local weatherman or pilot who would like to volunteer to be a MBC. It was never about an end around for those closely associated with Troops. If that local weatherman is looking to camp with the Troop then they are likely not just a MBC.

The TCC was clear that they did not approve of the 72 hour rule. BSA was never going to exit bankruptcy without this change. It was one of the changes that switched TCC from rejecting to supporting the bankruptcy plan. It was an odd rule. I'm not able to do nearly anything with the GSUSA without registering. I think BSA avoided it, like they avoided the YPT training checks for years, to avoid the complaints and moaning from scouters. As far as MBCs, they shouldn't be hanging out overnight with the Troop. ASMs and SMs ... Sure. I struggle to see why a MBC in that capacity should be sleeping in a tent with a Troop. I'm fine with the policy change and expect it will have minimal impact to my Troop. i wouldn't want a parent or leader near my kids who would object to the background check or registration. e One of the major complaints I have seen is impact to family camping.... Great! I've seen too many parents looking to just hang out with the Troop overnight. If this puts a barrier up so scouting can return to only necessary leaders and scouts I see this as a win. Having 7 parents and 12 scouts at camporees is just not what scouting is about.

I think it helps. However, there is a huge variety in experience and culture between units. There are units that are more engaged in training, rules, regulations, etc. Many other units are either unaware (due to so many different sources of data) or just ignore the rules. I think the only fix is for councils to be more aware of unit leaders and unit culture/behavior. Relying on COs will not work. So ... this video will be helpful for the units who follow rules and pay attention. However, I question if that is the biggest safety issue BSA faces. I wonder if the bigger issue is that there are too many poorly led units that violate rules. I'm curious what injury investigations show. Was the injury a result of the inherent risk of an activity, lack of a rule or was it due to violating rules? If it was due to violating rules, was it due to lack of understanding the rules, lack of awareness of the rules or ignoring them? This video helps with one aspect, but may not be the total answer or addressing the biggest cause.