Eagle1993

CFL was the summer camp our Troop went to for several years. Our old camp site was hidden in a clearing that has been buldozed to the ground and replaced with RV pads. I was told There was a former scout, from Texas, that offered the council the same amount that was offered by the third party. The former scout only request was to keep it as a scout camp. The council decided it wasn't in their best interest as it was far from their home location and it was a lot of work and expense to maintain. My council sold one of their remaining camps... Only one left. These camp sales are wearing me down.

I found this interview more promising than Mosby. Travel sports, social media and online gaming are major changes to what youth do and how they interact. BSA has been slow to recognize this and hopefully Krone can find a way to break through. I think BSA also needs to understand that there are pressures on the volunteer model. Stay at home moms and the 40 hour work week are not common. Finding ways to lower burden and burnout on/of volunteers will also be critical to success. looking forward to a fireside chat or town hall soon!

I hope so too. However, there is a pretty big difference in running an organization where most of your "employees" are volunteers, you are not measured in OM% and you are not selling products to the government. His only connection to scouting seems to be from his youth. I don't see any connection to running non-profits or youth organizations. Roger has no Twitter (x) account that I could find, no social media presence, etc. In terms of accomplishments, one of the biggest he listed as winning the DoD EHR contract with Cerner. That has been a disaster that has led to congressional hearings. Nearly all of his income came from running a company that is able to manage government contracts. Nothing wrong with that ... but I really struggle to see how this translates into BSA leadership. I fully agree. Hopefully he starts reaching out to scouts/volunteers ... listens to feedback and takes action, etc. Mosby was absent these last few years, hopefully Mr. Krone can improve.

Why, why, why do we hire retired leaders? My guess this is more about getting ties into industry for donations than an leader who really wants to learn how scouting is done today, what parents/society/youth need and making necessary changes.

Very strict. They won't even let you stay in base camp. If you go, come in several pounds under. There are stories of adults who traveled, gained a pound or two and went over and then were sent off site after weigh in.

If it is overnight that won't be an option. The option is to register as a leader or don't have your kid attend. Very similar to GSUSA.

Thanks! I remember it was listed but couldn't find it in the various plan documents. I wonder if the trust has to report monthly updates regarding their accounts/expenses. I haven't seen it in the docket.

I wonder if certain insurers would be willing to post that bond on their behalf. If they can get the stay, I think there is a decent chance the plan is thrown out in June. It now may be worth that bond payment from them...

Coming Sept 6 https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/scouts-honor-netflix-trailer-debut-boy-scouts-child-sexual-abuse-cover-up-1234806388/ https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/scouts-honor-trailer-previews-netflix-165444814.html

Hope you are correct. Questions... 1) Most of the $ comes from insurance companies and little has been paid. What percentage of the billions committed has been paid? I wonder how it will be moot if the powder is still dry. 2) It is clear the Supreme Court is now questioning non consensual non debtor releases. This is a change and one would think appellants will highlight this change in their appeals. Could that cause insurance companies to slow role the process? The big question is if non debtor releases are unconstitutional, doesn't that open up COs and Local Councils to lawsuits even if the plan is approved?

Volunteers are the life blood of the program. Too often, the same volunteers are asked for more and more support over and over. If you look who has the least free time to volunteer, it is parents. They are busy working to earn enough money to support their family, save for retirement, pay off mortgages and college loans etc. They are also the ones who typically coach their kids little league games and serve as unit leaders. Councils should focus on past scouts (18-30 year olds) and empty nest past scouters (55+) for the core of district/council leadership. Instead, I am typically called multiple times a year to volunteer for district positions. I simply cannot dedicate enough time. I mentioned the idea of using NESA lists and was told that wasn't a great option.

It absolutely can. I look at the UK Scouts Association... They have far more scouts per capital, were growing pre COVID (and have started to rebound), have a large waiting list of scouts and a transparent/reasonable sized board with great focus on what youth need today. Or... We could go the way of Scouts Canada. I work with several Canadians... most don't realize scouting exist anymore. I think major action is needed to save scouts, but so far only see deck chairs being rearranged.

For BSA sake and the sake of the victims of abuse, I hope this plan can remain intact. However, I still struggle seeing bankruptcy abused in various ways (shell companies being created by J&J or non debtors like the Slackers avoiding the full weight of their horrible actions). I think it is clearly time the SC weighs in on non debtor releases. They continue to expand. Given the courts conservative leaning, one could guess that they may not agree as Congress has never authorized non debtor releases (outside of asbestos) and it is clearly not in the constitution. However, this is not a typical right vs left issue so who knows where the 9 members will fall. This could make some odd bedfellows. I really hope the plan remains intact. If it doesn't, I see a decade of council and charter org lawsuits and bankruptcy with primarily lawyers getting rich.

This is interesting. Supreme Court put the Purdue Pharma plan on hold ato hear arguments about allowing non debtor releases. One wonders if this could give a bit of fuel to the appeals against the BSA plan. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/10/politics/supreme-court-purdue-pharma-opioid-settlement/index.html

They saw this coming and were not prepared... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/09/south-korea-scout-jamboree-heatwave-preparations/

Fully agree. YPT barriers to abuse are not international, if the setup prevents those barriers then BSA should have identified that early. Just one of many examples.

What a disaster. US/UK scouts look like they were thinking ahead now that the entire Jambo is cancelled early and everyone is scrambling. WOSM needs to be better prepared.

A bit more info from FB: From Jeness Woodard #1 This is a WOSM event and monies went to them, not BSA. Further, MANY other contingents are leaving, the issue is logistics. The US is extending their contract with the bus company previously used, which is why we are able to leave. This also takes time. 1200 people just cannot be moved in an instant, even if we would like them to. Also, whether or not you are having fun depends on the attitude of the leader toward the problem. The issue is not the having fun, it is safety, health, medical care, and lack of food. This would, frankly, be a health emergency in the US and be shut down. And it would still take time to get everyone off site. And others are correct, this is like a summer camp and it would not be judicious of a leader to keep a kid in this type of situation. Watch the recording from this morning's parent video, it has way more info. But for reference, statistically they were expecting 500-600 people in the medical tents daily, there has been 5000-10000 and they cannot track your kids if they go to a hospital. reasons we have to go: heat, not enough shade - too little, too late. proper storage of food. started at 600 calories of food, getting better - not enough. deplorable sanitation issues. would be a health emergency if it was in the US. YPT issues. weather - typhoon bands are coming. don't believe site can handle it. more torrential rain on Sun and Mon. clear we had to leave based on safety medical 5000-10000 patients in medical daily. predicted was about 500. Cannot provide enough care. specialist referrals not happening. Americans going to hospitals cannot be tracked. Health of ALL participants is at high risk. Our own medical folks cannot manage the needs without assistance Monday, depart base. neverland and lego store. Tuesday, baseball game. Wednesday, on base culture day, including water games, bounce house, snow cones, movies on site. Thursday off base- Suan fortress. Led special performance. Live viewing of the closing ceremony - virtual. Down time - use stuff on site. Hot meal in morning and evening. to go meals at lunch. reached out to other contingents to see if they are local and want to interac Sleeping in middle school gymnasiums, organized by unit, separated by gender, bathrooms too. not restricted this time and greater flexibility on base. Scouts proved to base that they can behave. bringing in games. schedule will be posted. quarantine for Covid did not exist because of change in gov't policy change. US kid came w/ Covid. Nowhere on site to house sick. US team told them quarantine in tent is not ok and quarantine site reopened. no rapid flu test because it is not flu season in Korea (is in other places). again, plan is to put person in their tent to quarantine. There are other, in my opinion, diseases folks bring - like TB, so no quarantine for those either medical care on base is being billed to insurance, like it would be if taken to urgent care or ER. Pulled out - UK (4000 scouts), US, many others are leaving and working on logisticsother groups are asking if they can come on our military base as well. that has to go through the embassy and the state department.

That was my thought. Perhaps a free trip to Summit? I'm sure they wont get back the cash.

I've seen mixed updates on FB by some who are present. Complaints about lack of shade options, lack of water, lack of facilities (4 toilets for 200+), kids putting drinking hoses down their pants to keep cool, no garbage service, etc. Also, reports that some of the doctors in the hospital supporting the camp have collapsed due to exhaustion. However, it appears not all sub camps are that bad and some want to stay. Some parents have said their kids told them it wasn't too bad and they want to stay. Tough call to make and given how much money was spent, I hope BSA finds a way to compensate. It sounds like South Korea wasn't ready to host something this large.

Posted to FB: The following was shared with all of the National Service Territories earlier today (31 July); I have been busy with other recovery tasks to fully read and vet the information provided. ------------ "from the BSA Volunteer Training Team **Changes to Cub Scout Pack Overnight Camping** Effective Sept. 1, 2023, Cub Scout packs who are conducting their own overnight camping activity may now camp up to two consecutive nights. Cub Scout packs who are conducting their own overnight camping activities must continue to have at least one registered adult leader who is trained in Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation (BALOO), oversees the planning, and is in attendance for the pack campout. This updated policy also applies to Webelos and Arrow of Light dens who may conduct den-coordinated campouts. The policy will be updated in the Guide to Safe Scouting and other resources on Sept. 1. An updated version of the BALOO training will also be released at this time. ACTION: Reminder, Cub Scout camping is limited to their council’s designated locations with appropriate facilities. As councils prepare to communicate this change to their local packs, now is the time for the council to review the approved Cub Scout pack overnight sites and make any necessary updates. As this announcement is communicated to your packs, it is important to ensure that your council’s list of approved pack overnight camping locations is easily accessible from your website and is included in your communications. For additional information regarding Cub Scout camping, including required youth protection policies, please review the Guide to Safe Scouting." (Mike Walton/Settummanque)

I would have rather seen an actual female scout, but it is still better than the naked man following the boy scout statue.

I'll add... You kill Cub Scouts recruiting you kill the entire organization in a few years.

Cub Scout fees should be lower. I don't see how you recruit many new scouts when those parents are looking at: $140 Council Fee $80 National Registration $25 New Scout Fee $15 Scouts Life $xx Pack Fee $75 Uniform/Book Total $335+ to join an organization to build a pinewood derby car, run around a room a few times a month and visit a local police station.

It could help if they bring up anti inclusions stances BSA has had in the past; However, I don't think it sells the program at all. I have never had no seen the need for it come up with prospective scouts.