Eagle1993

Or 1,920 trees ... but I digress.

Here is another https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/09/07/boy-scout-leader-ronald-rowcliffe-has-faced-child-sex-abuse-allegations-before/2245186001/ This one is interesting as the man was charged in court in 2000 over abusing teenagers but got a plea deal. That was an a leader of an Explorer unit ... so how could the BSA let him still be a leader in 2018/2019? This man pled guilty in 2020 to CSA at a scout camp. So ... multiple red flags over several years including one within the BSA. I think this is where there are questions if BSA can really handle this. This isn't from 1965. Why was this guy a leader after all of these issues (including one within the BSA)?

I think this is difficult to answer as many victims may not indicate the abuse until years later. Here is an example: https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/byers-beat/interview-with-parents-of-victims-former-boy-scout-leader/63-4b5013af-4d8b-4164-a92d-78bdd5093eeb

I actually expect COs to become the target of future lawsuits. I think the weakest link we have is the approval of adult leaders. In some cases, I would not be surprised to see adults working with units beyond 72 hours and are not registered leaders. In other cases, they are registered ... but remember the only signature on the form for unit leaders is the COR. So the COR will be brought into court and asked what he/she did to review/approve the leader (call references, etc.). In many cases, I expect COs could be found negligent in their role in youth protection under the current BSA system. I'm honestly a bit surprised any CO would sign up for this level of liability. Note that going forward, national BSA has almost no net assets (so probably not that attractive for lawsuits). Many LCs are drained. COs may be the ones targeted and many are paper only meaning they could be found negligent.

Agenda for today's hearing released. See below. Debtors’ Motion For Entry of Order (I) Scheduling Certain Dates and Deadlines in Connection with Confirmation of the Debtors Plan of Reorganization, (II) Establishing Certain Protocols, and (III) Granting Related Relief (D.I. 2618, filed 4/15/21). https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/48fd773c-aa99-43cc-ad9e-ccd83cd9e142_6475.pdf

Brutal article in the Seattle Times. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this repeated nationwide. The payouts are so low … then simply show how much assets the councils are keeping. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/bsa-settlement-proposal/ A rape claim against the Boy Scouts might entitle a survivor to as little as $3,300 under a nationwide proposal filed in court Tuesday. It’s painful to see,” said Jason Amala, a Seattle-based lawyer whose team represents more than 1,000 claimants, including Thurman and about 50 survivors from Washington. “These numbers are so low because they’re letting the council keep so much of their money.” The settlement isn’t anywhere close to the gravity of the perpetration,” he said. “Should they come out of bankruptcy solvent? In my opinion, no. They gave that right away long ago.”

I volunteered for GSUSA and 100% agree. I was told I could run cookie sales & I declined. At overnights, I have never heard of a man attending. I know one dad that attended an overnight and he had to sleep in his car in the parking lot far away from the girls. My son is also involved with NICA. The adults go through training on youth protection and ensure 2 deep and no one on one. Overnights, parents attend and camp with their kids. BSA seems to be unique to have 11 - 13 year olds (the prime years of abuse) to be without parents camping with adult males. I believe today we have appropriate YPT but I can see in the past why BSA could have a higher incident rate (in terms of youth hours per incident) than many other programs.

This topic is all over the place. That said, the BSA hasn’t listed it’s board for years … well before this bankruptcy. I expect other reasons are driving that. (I do agree that BSA should be listing their board).

Honestly, if he wants a big payout he should just ask to be part of the mediation meetings, sell out the remaining clients and then ask to be paid by BSA for selling them out. Oh, wait, the coalition already took that path.

Lonnie was the sole individual who objected to some other settlements. He was in court and talked through his reasoning. The judge was impressed and thanked him. She said that even though she rules against him she finds it helpful to have claimants present and giving voice to their cause and asked him to keep it up.

With 2 or 3 signatures?

Tanc submits request for discovery in t-minus 10, 9, 8, 7...

I believe tomorrow is the big day in court where the ballot and schedule will be approved, is that correct?

https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/2e1a8c44-7812-46a0-8a93-5aa5621dc7b2_6431.pdf This is the latest disclosure. Right now, claims inside the statute of limitations are considered open states (regardless of what state it occurred in). The references you see to grey states are for those claims outside the SOL. This is definitely not legal advice, as @CynicalScouter stated we do our best to talk general aspects of the bankruptcy but cannot give legal advice in specific cases.

@klleboewelcome to scouter.com. I'm so sorry about your son and hope he can recover from this traumatic experience.

I see no way this flys. During the hearing there were several discussions about discovery. The plan hasn’t been confirmed. How can they have a confirmation hearing without this discovery?

That is garbage. Even the judge stated she needed to get through the disclosure so she could move on to discovery. Will be interesting to see how she rules.

Huge news if true. So will the $3500 quick pay be reduced based on state?

The reporter has been following the case and the only questionable thing I see is that $19 comment. The truth is that BSA is asking claimants to settle for far less than the average Catholic Church payout of $268K per abuse claim. They can try to put lipstick on this pig, it’s still a pig. The question is if that pig can get better if the deal is rejected.

Per USA Today… For example, survivors who experienced abuse that did not involve touching, such as being forced to watch porn by a Scout leader, could receive as little as $19. I think these people could still take the $3500 payout, correct? It seems like $3500 would be the floor.

But during Rothweiler's cry fest, he said he represented 16,000. I wonder if BSA is using that 16,000 number instead of the 3,054. If that is the case, they are under 67%.

I did a bit of digging and found that Big Brothers & Big Sisters do more vetting of volunteers than BSA. First .. they require their professional staff to interview volunteers prior to approval. BSA outsources this work to COs. Second .. they require their volunteers to have monthly meetings with their professional staff. BSA has volunteers that have never met staff. Third ... my understanding is they review social media accounts of volunteers. BSA doesn't do this at all. Does this make Big Brother & Sisters safer than BSA? I'm not sure ... but I will say there are youth serving programs that vet their volunteers more than BSA. I really think there could be a big opportunity for a centralized youth volunteer clearing house. Basically, submit your details, Facebook pages, finger prints, etc. They do the background checks & reviews. Perhaps a phone interview. Then the "clear" the volunteer. As a youth volunteer in multiple organizations I would welcome it as I would have to get cleared once. My only concern would be some sort of political hurdle which eliminates volunteers for some non youth protection issues. But I digress... In terms of actually carrying out activities at the unit level, I haven't seen many differences from other youth programs.

I think we have a few (or at least 1) AIS claimants on this forum. I'm curious about that relationship. Who did they see as their counsel? Was it AIS or Kosnoff or some other law firm? The biggest group of claimants in the coalition come from AIS, correct? My understanding is 25% of the Coalition is AIS. However, AIS is clearly split and Kosnoff is against the deal while other lawyers are for it. So ... will those 16,000 claimants get mixed recommendations? What happens if their names appear on multiple master ballots and their votes differ? Century went on for a while about this, but I never heard a resolution.

I was looking at that legal proceeding yesterday and it was stayed due to the RSA. Now that the RSA is dead, I was just wondering if this would start up again. At this point, I tend to doubt it unless BSA files for Chapter 7. It seems like the TCC's primary focus now is LC, CO and insurance contributions. Those are in the hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. The value of HA bases are pretty limited and even if some of the loans from JP Morgan are questionable, there are still legitimate secured debt. Net it probably won't provide much. The Century lawyer is a bull in a china shop right now. He will do everything he can to slow the process down. If the Arrow discovery can open up some questions ... great news for Century. I think he believes (and is starting to be proved correct) that the longer this takes the lower the amount the Coalition will settle for.