Eagle1993

BSA is putting the future of BSA in this 1 basket. When a law firm of 10 lawyers represents 16,000 claimants ... I expect the news can play a bigger role than you think. But perhaps it is correct that the offer by many LCs is not defendable so why try.

A bit more about LC comments to the media. Going back to our 10 largest councils. Articles in these states will be rough (you can see Cascade Pacific has already appeared in an article, and they were the best out of our top 10 in terms of contributions. It is tough to argue that claimants who will get $9,000 for being raped as a child is a fair payout when Sam Huston, our largest council, is keeping 95.6% of their assets. The biggest issue will be local articles in grey states. I expect councils in the grey states contributed less and the claimants are receiving less in those states. BSA probably wants to talk about the total number ... but when you dig in, the numbers are tougher to defend in public. BSA may need to give LCs talking points on how to defend these numbers. The LCs will need to say that this money is needed to continue the program, and much of it are in camps, etc. LCs could say they agree the payouts are less than what we would have liked. Etc. Otherwise, just allowing article after article to go out with the financials at the LC level will be tough. Local Council Name Total Assets % of Total Assets Towards Contribution SAM HOUSTON AREA 179,837,619 4.43% NORTHERN STAR 99,707,945 7.24% GREATER ST. LOUIS AREA 96,778,145 8.25% ATLANTA AREA 95,546,679 8.37% CIRCLE TEN 92,482,329 8.64% MICHIGAN CROSSROADS 67,087,721 11.90% DENVER AREA 58,634,253 10.23% CASCADE PACIFIC 56,027,991 17.85% CROSSROADS OF AMERICA 55,507,464 7.79% GREATER LOS ANGELES 55,232,268 14.48%

Probably depends on the LC. New York can go with #1. Sam Huston #3. But expect Sam Huston to get killed in the press (if an article appears in Texas).

Then they are about to be killed in the press. They talked before, all the time. Each said the same thing… National is going bankrupt there is no impact to councils or units. Now no comment? They need to defend their settlement offers. If they cannot, then the articles are fair and I think the vote is more likely to fail. Seeing article after article in local TV and newspapers talking about low settlements, local councils offering low percentages of their net assets and victims talking how this is negatively impacting then with no counter from LCs will impact the votes of claimants.

I think most adults will be in the same boat. I would expect self declared vaccinations would work hopefully. I know some clearances require serology testing to prove vaccinations but that seems a bit much here.

I understand your point and it is valid, but the failure is on the LCs. I actually don’t have an issue with Kosnoff in these articles. My issue is why did the LCs refuse to comment? The Seattle times reached out. That would have been a great opportunity to say look what we do for kids today and any further payment would severely hurt our ability to function. No comment allows articles to be one sided. BSA better have their LC PR groups better prepared in the future. Below was in the Times article The Chief Seattle Council, Pacific Harbors Council and Mount Baker Council did not return interview requests.

I guess I ask how are they skewed? Do you mean he is pointing out the low end of the settlements? The numbers published are correct and are similar to other news stories. (In fact, the Seattle times shows a higher number for rape in a close state than what BSA is claiming. In reality, the pay outs are historically low and many councils are keeping the vast majority of their assets, which is why so many claimants are upset with this plan and taking this message to the media. Here are the numbers in the Seattle Times article A rape claim against the Boy Scouts might entitle a survivor to as little as $3,300 under a nationwide proposal filed in court Tuesday. In truth, it is actually lower per BSA .. $3,177 for the closed state midpoint 82,500 claims I have heard 84,000 unique claims, so the Seattle times is reporting a lower number A Washington survivor who was molested unclothed could collect as little as $9,000 under the proposal. Actual midpoint is $8,666 ... so the times is overreporting the BSA# Every other number in their article appears accurate. Are you saying the councils are paying more than the article is claiming? Is your point the councils do not have the assets they listed in the disclosure? I'm confused. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/2e1a8c44-7812-46a0-8a93-5aa5621dc7b2_6431.pdf

Sounds like we should be watching for updates on/in the Wall Street Journal, Fox News and Hearst owned media based on his Twitter updates.

Is anyone still working with Scoutlander? I have an issue I would like them to fix and have not been able to get a response. My Troop doesn't use Scoutlander and the public contact info seems to not go anywhere.

My understanding is on the asset side, everything is sold for the benefit of or transferred directly to creditors. Every HA camp, all intellectual property/trademarks, etc. Everything. So, Eagle Scout rank ... I expect that would be sold. Possible buyers (Trail Life, GSUSA, some new WOSM org, private company that would want to profit from it somehow). Philmont would be sold. Yes, a tycoon could come up with $70M and buy it and save it for scouting (hopefully). I believe liquidation will not occur, even if the vote fails. The tone and actions of the judge makes me think this is the last thing she wants. I bet BSA has a back pocket quick exit plan that they could convince the judge to implement via cramdown. My guess is the coalition knows what that plan is and would like to avoid it (as it probably means less money immediately and the path to larger payouts will be through insurance fights & state courts which will take time). The judge will not want to see the BSA liquidate and may determine it is the only exit path.

Since he made it public, if you are interested: text him at 425-830-8201 with "yes" and your phone number/email address You do not have to be a AIS client; however, if you are not you should clear this with your lawyer first.

Kosnoff is reporting a slew of texts and has a media coordinator. It appears they will be working on going out to local media (and in some cases national).

Per Maria Chutchian (Reuters Bankruptcy reporter) Judge Silverstein said that individual claimants will have the opportunity to raise any concerns they have about the plan during a January trial if they would like.

Or 1,920 trees ... but I digress.

Here is another https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/09/07/boy-scout-leader-ronald-rowcliffe-has-faced-child-sex-abuse-allegations-before/2245186001/ This one is interesting as the man was charged in court in 2000 over abusing teenagers but got a plea deal. That was an a leader of an Explorer unit ... so how could the BSA let him still be a leader in 2018/2019? This man pled guilty in 2020 to CSA at a scout camp. So ... multiple red flags over several years including one within the BSA. I think this is where there are questions if BSA can really handle this. This isn't from 1965. Why was this guy a leader after all of these issues (including one within the BSA)?

I think this is difficult to answer as many victims may not indicate the abuse until years later. Here is an example: https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/byers-beat/interview-with-parents-of-victims-former-boy-scout-leader/63-4b5013af-4d8b-4164-a92d-78bdd5093eeb

I actually expect COs to become the target of future lawsuits. I think the weakest link we have is the approval of adult leaders. In some cases, I would not be surprised to see adults working with units beyond 72 hours and are not registered leaders. In other cases, they are registered ... but remember the only signature on the form for unit leaders is the COR. So the COR will be brought into court and asked what he/she did to review/approve the leader (call references, etc.). In many cases, I expect COs could be found negligent in their role in youth protection under the current BSA system. I'm honestly a bit surprised any CO would sign up for this level of liability. Note that going forward, national BSA has almost no net assets (so probably not that attractive for lawsuits). Many LCs are drained. COs may be the ones targeted and many are paper only meaning they could be found negligent.

Agenda for today's hearing released. See below. Debtors’ Motion For Entry of Order (I) Scheduling Certain Dates and Deadlines in Connection with Confirmation of the Debtors Plan of Reorganization, (II) Establishing Certain Protocols, and (III) Granting Related Relief (D.I. 2618, filed 4/15/21). https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/48fd773c-aa99-43cc-ad9e-ccd83cd9e142_6475.pdf

Brutal article in the Seattle Times. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this repeated nationwide. The payouts are so low … then simply show how much assets the councils are keeping. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/bsa-settlement-proposal/ A rape claim against the Boy Scouts might entitle a survivor to as little as $3,300 under a nationwide proposal filed in court Tuesday. It’s painful to see,” said Jason Amala, a Seattle-based lawyer whose team represents more than 1,000 claimants, including Thurman and about 50 survivors from Washington. “These numbers are so low because they’re letting the council keep so much of their money.” The settlement isn’t anywhere close to the gravity of the perpetration,” he said. “Should they come out of bankruptcy solvent? In my opinion, no. They gave that right away long ago.”

I volunteered for GSUSA and 100% agree. I was told I could run cookie sales & I declined. At overnights, I have never heard of a man attending. I know one dad that attended an overnight and he had to sleep in his car in the parking lot far away from the girls. My son is also involved with NICA. The adults go through training on youth protection and ensure 2 deep and no one on one. Overnights, parents attend and camp with their kids. BSA seems to be unique to have 11 - 13 year olds (the prime years of abuse) to be without parents camping with adult males. I believe today we have appropriate YPT but I can see in the past why BSA could have a higher incident rate (in terms of youth hours per incident) than many other programs.

This topic is all over the place. That said, the BSA hasn’t listed it’s board for years … well before this bankruptcy. I expect other reasons are driving that. (I do agree that BSA should be listing their board).

Honestly, if he wants a big payout he should just ask to be part of the mediation meetings, sell out the remaining clients and then ask to be paid by BSA for selling them out. Oh, wait, the coalition already took that path.

Lonnie was the sole individual who objected to some other settlements. He was in court and talked through his reasoning. The judge was impressed and thanked him. She said that even though she rules against him she finds it helpful to have claimants present and giving voice to their cause and asked him to keep it up.

With 2 or 3 signatures?

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