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Other councils similar ... 3% confirmed for one. Century going through a few councils. Basically, they are finding a very small number of abuse claimants are showing up on rosters. In addition, nearly no incident reports confirming the abuse.

Century is stating they are going to push back that the vast majority of claims are false and were not vetted. Century is making the statement ... BAC is saying they have a TON of data on rosters and are certifying that only 5% of claimants were really scouts.

95% of claimants in BAC cannot be confirmed as scouts.

Century & Baltimore Area Council in a fight ...

Well ... were these ever vetted? Councils have released rosters and many are showing most claimants were never scouts. There are reasons for this (records destroyed, etc.). Century is indicating there are ways to address this but councils are not supporting that (per Century). Basically, Century is claiming the BSA is paying as if most of the claims are false. However, the insurance companies as part of distribution will be paying as if the claims are all true. So, they are asking what the BSA did to vet any of these claims as clearly they think most are not valid (based on their offers).

I'm not sure this is true, but Kosnoff is stating (via Twitter) that the Coalition has votes they are not releasing as they are not good news. So they continue to fight to get voters to switch. I think it probably is underreported as the master spreadsheet ones are being held back. Now, if the votes were good news, I don't think BSA would be pushing (as is the Coalition) to push out the deadline. I also found it interesting that the TCC was actually somewhat against pushing out the deadline. So there could be some truth in Kosnoff's tweet.

Century insurance fighting for discovery. They are very concerned that the confirmed number of scouts in terms of claimants are very low. Basically, BSA has not been able to clarify that the majority claimants are actually were even scouts.

Proposed schedule of dates would be ... Voting Deadline - December 28, 4PM (2 weeks delay) Voting Report (Preliminary) - January 4 Objection Deadline - January 7 Final Audited Report - January 17 Confirmation Brief Support Deadline - January 17 Confirmation Hearing - January 24 Judge is concerned as in other case she had the preliminary & final report had big differences in votes. Even the Jan 4 to Jan 7 isn't enough time. BSA lawyers agree this is a big concern. Now more and more are concerned about the resulting timelines if vote is delayed.... Judge will allow parties to talk, will decide Monday. So, no change as of now.

Debtors (BSA) would like to delay, hoping mediation will lead to further settlements before the deadline.

TCC - RP - Prepared to file modified motion. Would like to keep voting deadline UNLESS the changes are approved.

Concern about voting deadline, sounds like most parties want to push it out including BSA. Preliminary results would be January 7, final a few weeks later. So far, no objections to pushing out the date.

Hearing started ... 1) Meditation went into midnight last night. 2) Total votes to date (Wednesday before Thanksgiving) - 4,300 votes complete.

@MattR is correct, if this is to the point you believe you may need a weapon, you should be talking with the police. In terms of BSA, the first person I would go to is your charter organization rep. They are ultimately responsible for your unit and should be aware of any concerns. They decide who the adult leaders are in all cases ... so they decide the Committee Chair. If their is a parent/family causing trouble, there is no reason they must remain in your pack. @David CO is a COR and has mentioned multiple times that their unit does not approve applications for every youth ... they will reject youth for their pack.

October report released. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/815753dc-61e4-41a7-b808-4cb4a6794e7b_7517.pdf Total Ending Unrestricted Liquidity - BSA $140,975,000 Total Ending Unrestricted Cash Balance - BSA $74,518,000 So, BSA lost $3,977,000 in cash in October. There is a bit less income from supply, registrations were nearly equal to Sept. The big charge? Bankruptcy. October = $13.142M Sept = $6.379M Remember, October is when they mailed out all of those Size 4 font packages plus probably paid a ton of extra lawyer fees.

https://www.sumptionandwyland.com/resources/sumption-wyland-articles/what-is-the-right-size-for-your-nonprofits-board I am an employee of a formally large organization that nearly went bankruptcy. Nearly every article written blamed our board as one of the key factors. Our board size was too large ... we had 18 members.

This board is far too large to be effective. It is an audience not a board. BSA has been dying for 30 years…. I think I see one major reason here.

Per the mediator this is true. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be legal. Judge didn’t seem to object. I think the BSA can work with any party they see fit as it is their plan. The way I see this. The bankruptcy court is there to call balls/strikes and ensure everyone follows the law. The mediation is there to help parties to work to a plan… it isn’t required. The FCR and TCC are official parties representing groups of claimants. It’s BSA’s job to come up with a plan that will get all classes approval. They can use whatever tools they want to get to that plan. One can question the BSA, but I expect they simply want to focus on pleasing the Coalition and hope that they will deliver the votes. If the coalition fails to get the yes votes, BSA will have to reconsider their tactics.

This isn’t the judge’s first rodeo. Some of the coalition law firms are looking to be similar to some Talc law firms who didn’t do proper claims assessments. She ended up throwing out votes from these claims as they couldn’t be validated claimants. So, if these law firms cannot show how they vetted the claims within the next few weeks, I expect many of those votes could be tossed. This will likely help the anti plan side as the concentration of questionable claims seems to be owned primarily by coalition law firms. https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/ex-jj-talc-supplier-considering-new-path-judge-nixes-bankruptcy-plan-votes-2021-10-13/ Silverstein said it's not clear the Bevan clients even have valid claims against Imerys because the firm did not conduct due diligence on whether they'd been exposed to the company's talc. "In other words, Bevan & Associates simply printed out a list of its clients in excel spreadsheet format and slapped it behind a Master Ballot," the judge wrote.

I think final plans come through mutual trust. The BSA and TCC have 0 trust left. That means nearly every decision will be fought over in court. I’d rather see BSA say… this is our plan, we believe in it, but we will keep working with the TCC building that trust. So, even if not stated, if the plan fails they can quickly come to an agreed upon proposal. I hope I’m wrong, I just think we would be better off if the bankruptcy firms were actually working together in mediation vs fighting every aspect of this case in front of a judge.

There was a hearing today and while I didn't attend, there is a great series of Tweets from @melissabjacoby Richard Pachulski from TCC is stating that the AIS firms are essentially messing up this entire process. The judge must demand they send a joint letter to their claimants or the entire voting process may end up in being subject to debate. The judge basically said it may be too late, but she doesn't know what authority she would have to demand this of AIS. TCC said they would amend their motion. Expect some fast action over the next week or so over: 1) Demand on AIS to send letter. 2) Possible delay of voting deadline (no delay yet, but being requested) 3) Possible appointment of ombudsman. Note that TCC has been excluded from all mediation since Summer (confirmed my mediators). BSA is all in on the coalition. If they don't come through, I have a hard time seeing National emerge. You can blame White & Case if it comes to that. The judge did shoot down some objections to discovery (coming from several coalition law firms). Lawyers who sign off on proof of claims are subject to discovery. I found the Tweet series interesting. One issue ... while there are A LOT of claims ... many times, based on historical info, many do not submit votes. That means those who are voting are more motivated claimants. That could be a big factor into what we see. Another issue ... in addition to BSA and insurance companies, several law firms reps are on the line. If White & Case oversee the downfall of the BSA ... who would hire them again? If PSZJ law ends up seeing a crap settlement ... they won't get another big claimant committee deal. Coalition law firms may be facing legal bills that can't be paid if they don't get a quick payout. A lot going on, just over 2 weeks left until voting closes (unless something changes).

And a bit more interesting tidbits The BSA has hired a lobbying firm to go to Washington in an attempt to prevent the passage of the bankruptcy reform bill. If the bill passes, it could completely stop the ability of BSA to include COs or LCs in their bankruptcy plan. https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-influence/2021/11/24/boy-scouts-will-lobby-on-bill-to-curb-tactics-used-in-bankruptcy-proceedings-799099

Some pretty major filings on the court docket. The TCC is asking for an independent Ombudsman to be appointed to lead the voting. They are asking for two additional weeks. There are other documents filed under seal that are used to support this. US Trustee is objecting as are others. Another law firm has filed support. What lead to this. Signs are pointing to Kosnoff’s deposition and apparently evidence of some questionable eballots. (Not court approved). There is now official claims of eballots not accurately recording votes. If this is not granted, there is a chance that the vote could simply have to restart from the beginning…. Months of delay. Not sure what should be done, but the examples given show the disfunction going on right now. What a mess. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/dd0d8d63-5772-4b78-b3a0-5c03a45a5b20_7447.pdf

Yeah, that is a bit odd. Though there are no gaga pits at the schools in my area (at least town) and the one at the scout camp we went to was removed. However, they appear to be more common than schools playing dodgeball. I'm not sure why gaga is considered safer than dodgeball.

For Lions & Tigers, I do question the need for two leaders when every scout has a parent present.

First, I do thank @RichardB for commenting on this forum. Most from National wouldn’t and it’s great that he participates. Also, I do think the last version of G2SS made some updates that helped, specifically regarding use of tools. Perhaps there are some specific areas that we think could be relooked at. I get the complaints about patrol only activities with no adults. Perhaps there could be flexibility there. I’m not sure it is possible in today’s world of liability but perhaps. I cannot think of many clubs in high school that meet without adults present … I know dodgeball comes up and that impacted our troop as nearly every meeting ended in dodgeball. We’ve excepted it and moved on. To be fair, most schools in my area have also banned dodgeball so I don’t see this coming back. Lasertag is one that we find a bit odd. Nearly every kid in our Troop has played lasertag. Most have played paintball and many airsoft. They know the difference between real guns and gun safety and toy guns. Perhaps it is more about simulation of war and not wanting BSA to look like a paramilitary institution. I’m not sure. What other aspects of G2SS are causing overburden? Perhaps there are some that could be relooked at just as the tools section was.