Col. Flagg

Yup. Despite being a fully trained Boy Scout and Venturing leader, I got the same reception. Daughter dropped after Brownies and hung out with the Cubs and Boy Scouts. She can still tie a one-handed bowline better than any other Scout. I always found them hypocritical in that regard. So accepting of others UNLESS you are a heterosexual man. Then you must be some lurid loser for wanting to spend time with young girls. Never gave them my time or money...not even for their cookies.

Clearly not updated to reflect the policy changes of late. Or intentionally discriminates against heterosexuals.

Both. Rome won't change until the Visigoths tear down the corrupt infrastructure.

Now I have heard of everything. Scouting should leave soccer coaching to those qualified to teach it. The last thing Scouting needs to be doing is getting involved in teaching/coaching soccer. They have a hard enough time developing decent training material for Scouting...and that's their profession. Leave coaching to the USSF and local associations who are geared to train coaches and deliver a decent soccer program; especially in a soccer hot be like Seattle.

I need no validation of my indignation. It's clear...and has been since 2004. You have to be AT LEAST 10 to join Cubs. Done. Next topic.

No, a Scout is not patient, a Scoutmaster is. However, when we are only on page two and folks are answering a question for the tenth time that was aptly answered withing the first few posts; then to carry the analogy further, the horse was still born with a line of people lined up to beat the snot out of it.

Can we seriously just close this thread? It is clear (see citation) that Boy Scouting is for boys at least 10 years old. There's literally no discussion beyond how poorly BSA harmonizes their various documentation....which we are discussing in about 10 other threads.

ROFL....I'd love to see my council attempt to *find* all unit-based fund-raising, let alone "approve" them. They couldn't even post the elimination of the tour plan, for Pete's sake!! How could they manage hundreds of fund-raising requests for all the units they support?

Then he shouldn't be an MBC. What reason can the MBC give for not working with a Scout other than "I am busy" or "You live too far away"? Those work *if* they are the truth. If they are a lie to cover up a prejudice of not working with younger Scouts, then he's not upholding his role as MBC. In the example above, the MBC is clearly discriminating against the boy due to age/rank and that is not honest or Scout-like.

The other "real issue" is adults adding requirements and mis-reading the GTA. That's equally as concerning.

I'd run it as a troop and give the great big middle scout sign finger to district. How can they take it over if your troop is doing the work? They'd literally have to kick you out to do it and they'd have to justify that within the bylaws.

@@krikkitbot, how can council "take over"? Can't you guys just plan your event and run it? Is council going to show up and take over? How would they realistically do that? Or are they just saying you can't do it?

This from the organization who couldn't state yes or no if tour plans were going away? @@Fred johnon, you will turn blue if you hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

Sorry @@MrBob, but a good MBC should not hide behind the alleged "right of refusal" of an MBC to avoid working with a Scout because of his age or rank. Not only is that un-Scoutlike, it runs against the GTA. I *do* agree that the MBC should have the option of not working with a Scout due to distance, time constraints, etc. But using that option as an excuse from barring a Scout from working with you on an MB -- and a class that you are clearly offering to other Scouts -- is not only wrong, it is discriminatory and totally against the sections of the GTA noted above.

National? Review data? Analyze and understand trends?

I'd ask both the United Way and the Council exec (separately) what they want you to say. That way you can please both with offending neither.

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Remember to be humble. We all thought we knew everything when we were 16 too. Then we found out later how wrong we were. Many people on this forum have been doing heavy-duty tech stuff for over 30+ years. Keep the passion but always remember: Developers of tech plan, plan, plan, test, plan, test and then execute. We never assume security or legal/regulatory issues away. The end user experience is always on our mind. Even the best planned tech can have devastating results with just one mislaid assumption. Great example.

Chatted with my old Pack last night. CM dropped Tigers. They have 20+ kids in all other dens...and more joining in the fall. They were struggling previously. Dropped Tigers and the program grew and grew.

Au contraire, my young Skywalker, that platform is VERY MUCH subject to all sorts of laws and protections. A few observations: If you don't think this little outfit known as the NSA isn't monitoring and logging your VOIP calls over this platform, think again. I can set up a Trojan server and hijack your VOIP packets and save them to listen to later. That's an easy hack and how many of the eastern European hackers get bank and account info from the little gaming gremlins online. Anything you say or chat is logged by someone somewhere. And yes, you can be held accountable in the USA, Germany or anywhere else the US has an extradition treaty with if you violate the law...ours or theirs. Predators of all kinds reside on these sites. It is literally a playground for them. Sadly, many have exceptional technical skills and they can rip you off (or worse) before you even know you've been had. I have some experience with this platform, keeping is Scout friendly is hard even here. Doing it on Discord will be impossible. Trolls and hackers are much, much better than you are. Trust me on this one. I can tell kids not to drive over the speed limit, not drink or do drugs, yet everyone someone gets in trouble for just that. I applaud the idea. But sometimes inventors have the right idea but the wrong execution. This would be one of those ideas. If you want to build a community of Scouts to chat, game and hang out, might I suggest you look at secure systems where you (or the company that hosts/offers it) can control who signs on, knows who they are and stands behind a code of conduct with the force of the law. BTW, I just spoofed in to Discord on a rather forbidden anonymous server just to see if I could. Log files wide open. It is that easy. Remember...

I think what @@backpack is saying is that you can put up a server on your own. That has no issues other than your own cost, time, effort, etc. You should also check with your parents because there may be issues around minors setting up certain services. If you are trying to something "official" where your troop is involved, that would have to go through your SM and the TC chair. Just like your troop website or social media sites, they are responsible (and liable) for anything posted there. There are BSA policies that we as adult leaders have to follow. It is good that you are checking, but I think you want to sit down with your parents and your troop leaders and discuss your idea. The reason to be careful is that such a platform gives criminals a great please to prey on unsuspecting people, youth or adults. There are huge youth protection issues involved, so talking to your parents and leaders is your best course of action.

Founders are different than other "nobility". I agree that founders belong in a highly held, and small, class. I am thinking about all the "created nobility" who think the knots on their shirt or the number of beads they have means their you-know-what has a floral essence the likes of which we've never beheld. I ran in to one of those this weekend. She was running an archery range. One of my crew asked for pointers on their elbow position. My scout put their bow down and stepped back from the firing line and I we spoke briefly. This noble women was so intent on finding fault in what I was telling my scout she took her eye off the range...and missed the scout who walked across a live range!! Thankfully, no one got hurt but it scared the heck out of her. 15 knots and three beads did nothing to keep her focus where it belonged.

And yet the SM has to sign Requirement #5 as being completed, as well as signing twice that the proposal and plan met requirements. Not to mention signing the application that the Scout has met all requirements to make Eagle. I have to agree, it is VERY silly to go through all of that and have someone in an EBOR -- who might not even know much about the Scout, the unit or what he did -- tell the Scout that he did not meet requirements when the beneficiary, SM, district rep and TC Chair all signed and said he did.