BSA_Bugler

Currently the Cub Scout NATIONAL PACK SUMMERTIME AWARD PIN is worn centered above the button on the "wearer's right" pocket flap. Now, when Cubs earn the CUB SCOUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AWARD Patch it will be sewn over that flap. For each additional time the CUB SCOUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AWARD is earned, a Wolf Track Pin may be pinned on the patch over the pocket flap. Question: What happens to the NATIONAL PACK SUMMERTIME AWARD PIN? May it be pinned on the new patch or is it worn no more? Or, has a new location been designated for it?

Sorry everyone. But I will continue to show my flag the respect it deserves by removing my hat at the raising or lowering of Old Glory. And I will expect my boys to show their flag that same respect. At our summer camp one of the calls at flag twice a day was. "Scout remove hats". Maybe that isn't by some written guidelines but it is one that I feel our flag deserves. Lynda J, Doesn't the scout salute render honor to "your" flag as well? I certainly don't believe I, nor my Scouts, are disrespecting "Old Glory" when we render the Scout hand salute in our Activity, or Field, Uniforms with our heads under OFFICIAL "covers". I believe we are acting OFFICIALLY and in accordance with the best traditions and protocol of the BSA, as well as rendering the highest honor to our National Ensign!

If saluting in uniform with hats on outdoors (which I'm sure it probably was) was in common use by Boy Scouts on June 15, 1916, then it's okay now! http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode36/usc_sup_01_36_06_II_08_B_10_309.html TITLE 36 > Subtitle II > Part B > CHAPTER 309 CHAPTER 309BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA Release date: 2004-11-08  30901. Organization  30902. Purposes The purposes of the corporation are to promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using the methods that were in common use by boy scouts on June 15, 1916.  30903. Governing body  30904. Powers  30905. Exclusive right to emblems, badges, marks, and words  30906. Restrictions  30907. Annual and special meetings  30908. Annual report

http://www.scoutxing.com/songs/songs_0305.htm Cub Scout Prayer (Tune: O Tannenbaum) Lord, in this evening hour I pray, For strength to do my best each day. Draw near to me that I may see, The kind of Cub that I should be. In serving other, let me see, That I am only serving Thee. Bless me, Oh Lord, in Thy great love, That I may be a better Cub. http://www.scoutxing.com/prayers/prayers.htm'>http://www.scoutxing.com/prayers/prayers.htm A Cub Scout Prayer Help us, dear God, to love thee day by day To do our duty to you and enjoy our play To keep our cub scout promise the best that we can And to do our best always to help our fellow man. Amen There's a bunch more at the website. http://www.scoutxing.com/prayers/prayers.htm

Garrett Bardsley's parents have a website with a lot of details about the search and with regular updates. Lord have mercy on them, it must be agonizing. http://www.findgarrett.org/

johndaigler: You said: "Bugler, I'll get back to you after Thanksgiving. I have to go home to my Mom's house to get my old High School Latin books so that I can figure out what you said to me!!!!!!!!!" Enjoy your visit at your Mom's here is the translation. johndaigler: "God and I will both survive the judgement, either way. " Facilis descensus Averno!- "The descent to hell is easy." So, Be of careful of: Praesumptio salutis sine meritis consequendae-"Presumption of God's mercy.", Impugnatio agnitae veritatis-"Impugning the known truth.", Obstinatio in peccatis-"Obstinacy in sin.", Impaenitentia finalis-"Final impenitence.", and lastly: Peccatum Sodomitarum-"The sin of Sodom"! You said; "Fiat justitia; ruat coelum." -"Let justice be done, though the heavens should fall." No jd! Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei! - "the heavens bespeak the glory of God" So.....Fiat justitia et pereat mundus. "Let justice be done, though the world perish" I find your Latin challenging and I enjoy it! I wish I was fluent. It's not Sacrilegious, after all it "is" "The Language of God" and "The Official Language of The Vatican", RESPECTIVELY! Dominus vobiscum-"The Lord be with you", +Jim

SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN Go call an Executive before you try any of the above in Uniform! Gimme a break Bob White, it's St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital for crying out loud! Your moral compass should point to "S" and that stands for: SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN!

Do it, in Uniform! What are they going to do, eat you? Can you think of a better cause? Heaven forbid Scouts in uniform might be associated with helping to raise money for a premier hospital dedicated to SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN! Has it come to this that we have to ask if we can wear the Uniform on a mission of mercy? It's not like your supporting a political candidate at a rally! Tour Permit it as a hike, isn't that what it really is? As to the Service Project I would say yes to that also. As contributing to SAVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN is most assuredly "service" in the purest sense of the word! Just as a side note: St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital is named after St. Jude because he is the patron saint of lost, or hopeless causes! "Jude is invoked in desperate situations because his New Testament letter stresses that the faithful should persevere in the environment of harsh, difficult circumstances, just as their forefathers had done before them. Therefore, he is the patron saint of desperate cases and his feast day is October 28." -http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=127 God bless you, t136cor, for this true service project!

johndaigler: "God and I will both survive the judgement, either way." Facilis descensus Averno! So, Be of careful of: Praesumptio salutis sine meritis consequendae, Impugnatio agnitae veritatis, Obstinatio in peccatis, Impaenitentia finalis, and lastly: Peccatum Sodomitarum! You said; "Fiat justitia; ruat coelum." No jd! Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei! So.....Fiat justitia et pereat mundus. I find your Latin challenging and I enjoy it! I wish I was fluent. It's not Sacrilegious, after all it "is" "The Language of God" and "The Official Language of The Vatican", RESPECTIVELY! Dominus vobiscum, +Jim

bluegoose: I had promised myself I was not coming back to this subject, alas.... You quote Bob Dylan and his song "The Times They Are A-Changin:" to, I suppose, indicating that we should now accept homosexuality as we previously did not. I disagree. You profess your faith a as Quaker, which I understand is Christian, so I will address you as such. Everyone may want to freak out over this, but if you can quote a "Rock Star" to support you, I am going to quote "The Rock" to support me. "Times [may be] A-Changin" for Bob but not for God! God does not change. Malachi 3:6 "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. 1 Samuel 15:29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Seeing that Scripture clearly professes that God does not change, why are we now to believe that homosexuality has become okay? Leviticus 18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. 1 Corinthians 6 8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Romans 1:27 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. My faith does not allow me to accept homosexuality as a 'good thing", further it does not allow "me" to condemn any sinner, but to witness that through faith and repentance, forgiveness is available through Jesus Christ. Modern society keeps watering down God's precepts so that everyone "feels good" and all behavior is "normal"! Brother, I offer you the passage below, you decide if when Jesus comes back, whether or not He would be happy with the BSA abandoning "morally straight". Revelation 19 11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[1] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam

My Council's Scout Shop will sell anything to anyone who has the proper paper certificate: U.S. CURRENCY! ( or an acceptable substitute, checks or plastic) :-)

Owl62, http://www.scoutstuff.org/ You have to navigate around a little bit to get to the poll. You can type in a message at the Frequently Asked Questions. I don't know how much good those routes will do. I guess you could always write them a letter or call. Hope this helps. BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA SUPPLY DIVISION NATIONAL DISTRIBUTION CENTER P.O. Box 7143, Charlotte, NC 28241-7143 1-800-323-0732 Customer Opinion Poll Share your ideas and opinions to assist us in meeting your equipment, uniform, and merchandise needs. Frequently Asked Questions Use the form below to submit your question for our "Frequently Asked Questions" page. Question: (you can type in here) NOTE: Questions submitted via this form will be considered for future addition to the "Frequently Asked Questions" Web page not all questions will be answered via the Web site. If your question requires prompt or individual attention, please call the National Supply Division at 1-800-323-0732.

"are NOT the words of the John Jay/CUNY study, NOT the words of the Roman Catholic Church, NOT the words of the USCCB, or any of its Boards" -I never said they were. I said, "A good summary of the results of the study can be found at: www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?art_id=22733". If that was interpreted as an official site without checking it, I apologize, but I still believe it's a good and accurate summary. "shows a hatred that frightens me." -How is having an opinion that differs from yours showing hatred that that frightens you? If I disagree with you, should I just keep quite so you won't be frightened? I have said nothing threatening or vile, I have committed no hate-speak. I just vehemently disagree with you. "THERE IS NO VALIDATION FOR YOUR POST", OR YOUR BELIEFS, IN THE JOHN JAY/CUNY STUDY." -Yes, there is. "You can spin this any way you want, but homosexuals should continue to be banned from the BSA based on their moral depravity. . . .The liberal elite/homosexual deviants want us (BSA, USA, whole World) to conform to them. . . ." . . .Apparently, spinning can be done in either direction, Bugler. BTW, who are the liberal elite and are they all homosexual??" -Hollywood, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Time-Warner, etc., etc., and I don't know about all of them, just "Will and Grace", oh, and "Three's Company"! "I guess, by "us" you mean people who think like you do - what makes you think you think you speak for the USA, and the whole world??" -By us, I mean the "Blue America" of the Bush-Gore election and those who don't want the BSA opened to homosexuals. "I would even question that you speak for the majority BSA membership" -I'm sure I do, or they wouldn't be in the BSA. If you don't agree with the BSA you can join another group, or start your own. "though you obviously speak, at least in part, similarly, to the policy makers of the BSA." -Thank God! If any SM or other Scout Leader gets it into his head that his role somehow resembles the role of a priest, I'll be making phone calls to Council. -I wasn't referring to being like a religious minister. I meant that the youth would presuppose that because each adult was in a traditional role of authority, they would therefore be trustworthy and morally upright. BPwannabe@137 was "just throwing out this topic for some intelligent and interesting conversation." he certainly got that. We are never going to agree on this.

"Actually, I was defending science from your misuse (possibly perversion) of it. Science doesn't 'belong' to anyone (as in "my science"). It is free for anyone to employ. I hope you give it a try someday." You rush to defend science from "perversion", but not anything else! How odd you chose the noun "perversion". I'm glad I didn't employ that word first! Mr. Webster says: Main Entry: perversion Pronunciation: p&r-'v&r-zh&n, -sh&n Function: noun Date: 14th century 1 : the action of perverting : the condition of being perverted 2 : a perverted form; especially : an aberrant sexual practice especially when habitual and preferred to normal coitus I said my "science", not "my science". Semantics, is that it?Since science is "free for anyone to employ", I will "employ" it, but I will not "terminate" my commonsense in the process. Since you seem to have me figured out, you probably already know the truth about me, and other right leaning, knuckle-dragging Neanderthals. We really don't need science, as we have The Bible!