GrammaScout

to add: The Church with the assistance of this COR...gets the blame for not following the regulations with adding a Girls' Troop....not the Troop. .The thinking was: out of the blue, by the way, this: IF we Charter it, then WE own it. IF we own it, then we must RUN it. No body has any interest in RUNNING it, so we must get rid of it. ! After 50 yrs. of harmonious working together...this is what just jumped out at us. This Troop doesn't need outside help from anywhere...they are exemplary...but the word 'OWN' has ruined it. They planned to RUN the Girls' Unit as well...but realized THEY would need to find or to be...more volunteers. They required the two check signers be Church Members....and they didn't feel there were any more people in the Congregation who would step forward to make it work. It was the Church who announced how IT was going to be...with the strong implication that you either do it or you are out........

I have a bit of experience with Microbiology, and it is generally held that improper hand washing is the major source of such bugs causing illness. Folks must learn to wash and wash well...in between the fingers, etc.

We are still waiting for a return call from the District to inform us as to the 'why' of this? The Unit did NOT put him in any position, actually were hoping that fhe forced move to a new Chartering Organization would have 'lost him'...

Hi. Please explain the details of why this Unit is operating 'outside of the separate units for boys and for girls rule? I am not totally familiar with the wording.

Sorry, but there is a comment further down that describes something similar and it killed the Troop. First off: it is NOT the Church's money !! The money is from Fundraisers and from Parents and/or Donors. People who have NO clue about how Scouting is supposed to work, who have NO understanding of how Troop Budgets work, etc....should not be qualified to 'vote' on anything regarding Troop funds. ..... Voter Fraud? a term suggested TO me by another...the thought being that there would be people voting on something about which they knew nothing....making them ineligible voters, just like some organizations have broken voting rules........not the best, but I understood his point at the time he said it.

We have NEVER had a Unit Commissioner but now we suddenly have one! Our Troop is 50 years old...exemplary...90 Scouts including about 20 girls...many, many Eagles. We do not have to do any active recruiting. All of a sudden: we have a Unit Commissioner...? However do we need one? There must be many other Troops that COULD use some guidance. This person has put himself 'in charge'. He sat in for the Committee Chair when she has been unable to attend...is that kosher? Doesn't that positon require a person to be registered with the Troop?..............This person has been the COR for the Church which has now discarded this Troop...troop moved and welcomed at another Lutheran Church. He is no longer a COR. He has represented the 'Church', never the Troop....How has this happened?

I’m behind. Does this ‘new’ Charter-arrangement apply only to UMC sponsored(?) Troops?

Are there any such 'waves' ?

Our 50 year old Troop 618...with about 70 boys and 15 girls....was ditched by those spreading false information and inciting paranoia enough that the Council has just voted to stop Chartering....50 years. Pardon my sermon here, but in the eyes of God, no one sin is worse than another....that idea comes from us. So: Abuse of a young man and lies and false witness to get rid of a 50 year Troop...are both sins. We recoil at the 'abuse' one but look away at the other one. .......... A Nearby Lutheran Church somewhat accidently received word of the need of a CO for this Troop....and they jumped at it ! New Welcome and Friendly and Supportive CO for Troop 618, Beaverton, Oregon. That prayer was answered, whether you all believe that or not. It is a small church but has a Pre-School and Kindergarden so has a huge Gym and a huge Parking Lot...!! And those who sign checks do not have to be Members of the Church, unlike before. There were no 'records' in thowe 50 years of any abuse charges. There were about 6 Scoutmasters and 5 COR's interviewed none of whom had any knowledge of any abuse. That doesn't ensure that there wasn't any, but none of memory or record. In fact, so far there has been but one claim made in the Synod (Diocese) of our Lutheran ELCA...and it is not vetted...and may not be. But building on paranoia and false info .....Council members were 'afraid' to continue. Obvioulsy the only one in the State and Snyod who were spooked. The harrassment of the leaders of this Troop was deplorable with new hoops to jump through being a constant...the suspicion being that they could harrass enough that the Troop would just leave on their own and then 'no blame' for those men. Except we all knew....sorry., this particular incident will never have the justice it is due and I am 'trying' to move on. Hooray for Scouting! Hooray for those who are 'trying' to accomodate the multitude of demands and comjplaints out there. We must help.

50% reduction in membership?.... You mean in the 'Catholic Church'?

Thank you. This is what i have been told by LDS neighbors in Scouting. I would just say that if it is really an LDS Youth Meeting, it is NOT a Boy Scout Meeting and is deceptive in calling it that. *****-For what it’ I suppose if a particular non-LDS kid were engaging in particularly disruptive behavior, then at some point we may have had to pull the plug; but I never saw anything like that happen.***** I am a bit puzzled about your comment here above: So are you saying that if an LDS Scout was engaging in particularly disruptive behavior they would NOT dismissed? So FWIW—even as a Mormon myself, I have no idea why one would want to limit troop membership to adherents to the denomination of the chartering organization. I’m a bit of a libertarian at heart, so I prefer to see the COs given the option—but I can’t imagine why they’d want to take it.

The program IS the safest it has ever been. Our experience was that those 'Attorneys' have NO clue of what is really happening....nor does anyone. "..distancing from Boy Scouting'..?? no reason..........

Since when do we 'require' that Scouts must participate in Church activities??.....They have joined the BSA NOT the Church !!! Chartering means Sponsoring....which obviously now has 17 explainations as to how WE all think that is supposed to work... Do you really not want YOUR Scouts to be around Protestants? If so, I think you have a problem.

Our Troop of 50 years has had no claims of abuse...and input from all former Scoutmasters and COR's has validated that. So this fear about not being covered by the insurance of the BSA simply was not a factor inthe decision to 'dump' this Troop of 70. Your statement that the BSA insurance ONLY clicks in after that of the CO's...is contrary to what we have been told by our Council...Taking more control over the Scout Troops does WHAT exactly? It has no connection to any 'funny business' or 'damage', etc. that may occur.