jamskinner

Ya, but was the food any good?

Are you defining conservative literally or by political view? When I think of conservatism today I mainly think of the anarchy on the right and totalitarianism on the left diagram. Obviously things are not that simple.

I was stating facts not the right or wrongness of it. I also said to look up why it was that way. You can look at it through a modern day lens and ignore the situation at the time.

Here is part of your original statement "our country was also once founded on the idea that only white males mattered" This is pure hogwash. While I can accept the above as your opinion of the state of the founding of the country their are no facts to back it up. As you say above the constitution did not say who was eligible to vote. So if that's true your other statement is obviously false. If you had said male landowners then you might have a leg to stand on. And it might also help to do a little research as to why before ascribing a fallacious reason for said rules.

Grow tired of misinformation such as the above. Quit stating opinion as fact

I’m confused. You had to take your son to a non lds troop to get a great experience but if the church allowed girls you could take her to the lds scout program to get that same experience. Am I misinterpreting something.

You can act however you want. So can I. We actually agree on the inevitability of scouts going coed. I just don't think it is a good idea and will continue to say so.

That is some strange revisionist history there. I suggest you look up what states first allowed women to vote and maybe look into something called the U.S. civil war.

I agree to a point. Life requires interaction between men and women. But as you pointed out kids already have ample places to learn in a coed environment. Boy Scouts has been one area where boys could be together as boys. Now that is no longer available in your country through scouts. Are there any other groups in the UK that are all girls or boys? This is a bit off topic but I saw an article the other day where women are renting a women only office area. Men are not allowed to rent space there. Apparently even some adults want gender segregation. Thanks for the video.

The problem I have is you are not respecting others opinions. You don't have to agree with them, but when you say "Instead of fearing that girls are going to ruining Boy Scouting, work with the girls to create really strong co-ed troops." you are assigning a motive of fear to people and telling people to align themselves to how you feel. As far a moving on go ahead. I am certainly unable to stop you from doing that.

Look at my other comments. It is hard not to see the writing on the wall. I believe Boy Scouts will soon be coed. It will start with cub scouts then eventually happen in scouts. National will roll over at the first sign of a lawsuit over gender segregation. Some girl will not be allowed to join because not enough girls are available and she will want to join the boys. This is exactly what happened with wrestling at several schools in Utah this year.

Maybe they want to hang around other boys and now they won’t be able to. I know if I was in this situation I would look elsewhere. I guess we will see if others feel the same. The problem will be if that happens you can’t go back and bring those boys back in.

Hopefully things continue to work for you.

So if they are not free to be themselves around boys then when are they free to be themselves? In an average situation is a boy going to feel more free around another boy or another girl? How about is a girl going to feel more free around another girl or a boy? i believe they are more comfortable with their own gender. Is this always the case? No. I do believe it is the case the majority of the time. I must admit though that I don’t have any research data on the subject though. I will try to see if any is available and if so supports or contradicts my view.

Take a look at your post. Does it seem a bit condescending? Show a little respect for others opinions even if you disagree. As for as moving on, yeah you are probably right.

Here is a quote from the Boy Scouts FAQ. "Q. Why is the BSA recommending single-­‐gender units instead of a co-­‐ed model? " Notice the use of the recommending not required. My opinion is yes to create a), and brand new organization. Nothing is stopping that same organization from even using the same people. This will not happen overnight, but can obviously be done. This will enable it to be fine tuned toward girls as well.

With all due respect inferring I am delusional is probably not the best way to convince me to your way of thought. To start with I never said boys are not influenced by other boys. I said they will be able to more freely be themselves. Do you think I am wrong? I believe girls will have a greater influence on how boys act then other boys regardless of differences. As a scout are you going to pee in front of other boys? Most likely. Are you going to pee in front of girls. Heck no. Are you going to play bloody knuckles with girls. Not likely. Are you going to horse play with girls? Are you going to engage in the same physical activities directly with a girl? Maybe if you want to get sued. Is it really that hard to see that boys and girls have basic biological differences that influence how they think and act? If that wasn't the case there would never be any reason to separate girls from boys in any groups or activities. But for some strange reason we do. You don't see these changes as a bad thing. Fine. You are entitled to that. Guess what? I am entitled to my thinking as well.

Training of young men not young women. People are not automatons. The more focused you can be on something to better you can do it. Many schools, business, groups focus on one area. They more you broaden out the greater risk you have of weakening your core focus. The Boy Scouts is for training boys and I certainly believe they should of focused on improving that instead of trying to go after another market. Supposably, the Boy Scouts are not going to change the program. If that is the case then why are they waiting until next year before adding girls. They have to make changes of course.

I am not blaming girls wanting to join the Boy Scouts. Adding girls to Boy Scouts though is changing it whether it was anyone's intention or not. It is obvious that at the cub scout level that is going to end up being coed even though National said that would not be the case. I believe we will see the trend continue as they allow girls into Boy Scouts. People are going to go with the path of least resistance and that is to go coed. It solves too many problems to not be an option for many groups. Unfortunately it will also have to side effect of hurting the boys in that they will no longer be able to freely be themselves. They will be influenced by the girls. I certainly would not of had the same scouting experience if girls had been involved. The program will also change as more girls enter and want changes to how things are done. For some this will be an opportunity.. That's fine but you also need to realize that for others it will be a burden and they may just walk away. Also I don't see how you can say just give it a chance it will work. It will either work or not given real world constraints. There are plenty of better ways to solve this problem other then putting girls into Boy Scouts. Finally back to the analogy. I don't like fish. If I went to a Burger place and they sold fish no problem. I don't order fish. However if they cooked the fish on the same grill as the burgers it would add a fishy taste to the burger. In that case I would quit going to that place of business. That business may acquire new customers who like fish, but they will also lose some percent of customers who don't like fishy tasting burgers. Also sorry in advance for any mistakes or weak arguments.

It’s not my analogy. It’s desertrats. I just reversed it. Also no one is stopping girls from forming their own group that emulates what the Boy Scouts do. As for not being required to have girls in your troop look at what has happened everywhere else girls have been included into scouts. Are they allowed to be boy only now? I maybe totally wrong. Time will tell.

If that’s the case then why do you want to buy pizzas at Burger King? My honest opinion is bsa can do what they want but they can’t escape the consequences. Many businesses fail because they don’t focus on their core products and that is what I think will happen here.

Who cares? Apparently they do. Feel free to dismiss other peoples opinions.

So the "There are no plans to change our name at this time" lasted about 7 months. What else is going to change in the next 6 or 7?