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When did the Brotherhood Hike become mandatory? Back when I received Brotherhood, it didn't exist. Sometime in the late 1990s or early 2000s it became an option or a recommendation. If I had to take a guess, they took it our in 2015 when the new Brotherhood Ceremony came out.

We have a very similar problem. CM is out of line. He is NOT registered with the troop, and has no authority over the Scouts. If there is no SPL, then the PL needs to got to the SM and discuss the matter with him. SM and CC need to have a discussion with the CM and nip the problems, i.e. CM's son camping with him, jumping on the PL's case when the son is not doing his fair share of the work, etc NOW or they will get worse.

That's because National is changing the rules, and it appears that it is to accommodate the girls. Since August 1, 1989, there has not been a gender requirement for any registered volunteer position, whether working with Boy Scouts, Sea Scouts, Explorers, Cub Scouts, Varsity Scouts, or Venturers. For those coed groups you needed any female over 21. They did not need to be registered however. Now you need a the CM or ACM to be female AND a female DL or ADL for each girl den. But no such requirement exists for fro a MAle CM or ACM and Male DL or ADL for a male den.

Found the video where National says there are no changes for all boy dens. 5:40 mark is the slide. screen capture below the link.

While not mentioned in the video, it is in the PowerPoint that went out back in December/January. I posted a screen capture of the slide stating that a registered female DL or ADL will be required for an all girl den, but a male DL or ADL is not required for an all boy den. In fact someone on FB asked why a male DL or ADL is not required for an all boy den prior to comments being shut off. If I can find the link tot he other thread with the screen capture, I'll post.

According to all the stuff provided to EA packs, the answer "NO." That is why I keep saying BSA has begun a double standard. Id doesn't matter if no males are with the boys, but a female MUST be with the girls. Why i am also concerend about "Linked Troops" meeting and camping together, no female no meeting or camping

Every bottle, whether Gatorade or Nalgene must be properly clean and sanitized in order to be reused.

Have not seen the new YPT2 training, but if it using the policies that the EA Cub Scout dens are following, and as reported by others who met with a national level person and asked about this, then YES, meetings with girls present will also require a registered female over 21 in attendance. Why I do not like the double standard that 2 females can work with all male dens, but not two males.

With the exception on 18-20 year old ASMs, who can only register as ASM or Unit Scouter Reserve, they need to camp. We have a troop locally that has 2 adults with health issues, and they go on camp outs. They may stay in a camper, but they are there.

Nalgene is out of my budget. But my middle son has one he won. Aluminum is OK. Had a canteen for years out of aluminum. But it is heavy. Reusing Gatorade et al bottles is enviromentally friendly, cheap, and comes with a drink

I have recycled Gatorade and Powerade bottles for years. Moved up to reusing Life Wtr bottles because A) 2 of their bottles will fit in a single pocket on my pack and B) my filer can attach to the bottle.

https://www.scoutshop.org/totin-chip-pocket-certificate-single-34397.html $0.19 each What I find hilarious is that it is now a restricted item requiring paperwork

I agree taking out a knife and damaging an expensive piece of electronics would be overkill. But I have seen people do it nonetheless. That is the parents' choice. But cutting a corner of a $0.19 card that can be easily replaced when re-earned is a completely different story IMHO 1) Thank you for your sevice. 2) we will have to agree to disagree. I cannot see you can compare cutting corners to true hazing.

Considering I know who wrote that comment on the blog and heard him talk about it, I can tell you it was made to show how BSA policies and literature is constantly changing, contradictory and confusing. One BSA official document, Bryan's Blog, is NOT stating that the practice of cutting corners of TOTIN" CHIP ( emphasis) is being denied. And many Packs use those policies in absence of specific Cub Scout ones, or to help Webelos transition to Boy Scouts. But then a change is made in another BSA document, 2017 BALOO Syllabus, stating that you cannot cut corners on Whittling Chip. As a former trainer, I can see where all these constant changes can cause confusion, especially for former Cub Scout leaders who are now Boy Scouters and are still following Cub Scout policies and not Boy Scout policies. I just checked out the current ITOLS syllabus, and no prohibition on cutting corners is in there. Regarding cutting corners as a form of hazing, please explain to me how talking to a Scout about a minor infraction and cutting a corner to serve as a reminder to do better is hazing? I admit singing for lost items is pushing it IMHO, but anyone who has been a pledge for a fraternity/sorority knows what hazing truly is. Anyone who has been to a service academy, or been through boot camp knows what hazing truly is. Cutting corners is not hazing.

It probably will.. But I forgot to mention the other reason for not switching, which is also the #1 reason, their friends. They do not want to leave them behind, even though they both have friends in that troop. They know it's on the table, but both want to try and change the troop from the inside. Last night's announcement got the middle son to run for PL, and after some consideration, oldest is running for PL again.

Looks like we have an answer, someone is making it up.

Good question. 1 troop does high priced activities. 1 troop is closed until they have openings. 1 troop is LDS. 1 troop just folded and 1 troop that is in worse shape than us just got one of the reasons why the troop folfed joining theirs. And after camping with them last month, they are not a fit for my boys. That troop left early due to rain. This led to a domino effect: they started packing up, causing a most of the Webelos to pack up. My youngest was willing to stay until it got to the point that it was me and him camping by ourselves. He went home with mom. and I stayed with older 2. There is 1 troop that has a rep as fundraising heavy. But otherwise is very Scout led. Challenge with them is their pack folded, and they are slowly dying.

Let's not go there. She is already trying to maintain leverage in a financial way, and it's about to come to a head with the pack and the IH. Yes you are being too optimistic. Let's face it, troops not following BSA policy and procedures are part of the reason why we now have 'Family Scouting." And I know of one troop's proposed way of getting around not having female Scouters on a camp out: calling it a family camp out. And that is part of the double standard. A female over 21 could take out a group of boys with an 18 year old male. Canceling once is fine, and understandable. Heck we canceled a trip 2 hours before leaving. One Scouter having a back injury a week before the trip dropped it down to 2 Scouters. Then at the last minute one Scouter has to bail due to emergency surgery. But I can tell you that canceling a trip because you do not have female Scouter for the girls will tick off the boys. They will resent the girls and the female Scouter who doesn't go on the trip. I admit the committee, and other Scouters need to recruit enough female Scouters, but until then it can be challenging. Sadly BSA now emphasizes the troop over the patrol. And that is how most adults are trained today. Even the ones who should know better. So you are saying that the girls and their families should have worked to push GSUSA to camp more since girls have different styles than boys? I keep hearing how the girls want the same adventure as the boys. Seriously though, there are not enough resources for two separate troops to do two separate programs and meet the expectations everyone is pushing for an initial launch. .Everywhere I read is stating the same thing directly or indirectly. Early Adopters of the Cub program are using existing packs and their resources. When my troop tried to help out a new troop, within 12 months they merged with us, had their members split into our existing patrols, and that troop ceased to exist.

Sorry I missed this until today. Second canoe orienteering. Sailing canoe i.e. rigging a sail was fun. If you have 4 canoes, forming a megacanoe is fun. Stern walking, aka Deck walking, aka Swamp walking in which a person stands on the aft deck and uses an up and down motion to propel a canoes is challenging and fun. With a kayak, we would island up/raft up and play Duck, Duck, Goose. Rules were 1) No running 2) could not pick the person in the canoe next to you. THAT. WAS. FUN!

Update: SM announced the changes tonite. For once there was no side conversations whatsoever going on. Talking to my peanut gallery on the ride home 1) both do not like the adults making the decision arbitrarily 2) both do not like the ASPL automatically becoming SPL, 3) both like the 4 month term of office, 4) both like regular PLCs ( It went from a 30 minute PLC to a 10 minute PLC once a month. I'm not happy about that). Both boys have decided to run for PL of their respective patrols.

It's a no win situation that some units will be facing. If you cancel for everyone. you get boys fed up with the girls because it is negatively impacting them, and some may quit. And as you pointed out, if you mention can't getting enough mom's to camp, it's inflammatory. As for going with Scouter's schedules, while I agree wholeheartedly with that, what happens when the only registered female is not willing to camp? what happens if they back out at the last minute? What happens if they back out during the camp out? Not trying to be negative, but my troop is in that situation. only female willing to camp will only do so for car camping in fair weather. She has backed out at the last minute (hours before we were leaving), will not do any non car camping camp outs, and has showed up late and left early.

My unit has only 1 female who camps "regularly." And by that I mean car camping in fair weather. If it is not car camping, i.e. backpacking or survival camping, she and her son will not attend. And I stress fair weather, hint of rain and she and her son will not attend, even if paid in advance. And she is not reliable as she and her son will arrive late and leave early. Especially if she does not get her way. If we had to depend on her for the girls, they would not be able to camp as much as the boys.

I admit I have not taken YPT2 yet. But from reading hte Cub literature on YP, anytime a female is present you MUST have a registered female over 21 in attendance. I will restate the question, do you send the girls home form the meeting, send everyone home, or ignore the rules. Apparently the consensus on meeting is ignore the rule. I'll rephrase 2 and 3 2) What if you cannot get a registered female over 21 to go on a weekend camp out, do you cancel the trip for everyone, cancel the trip just for the girls, or ignore the rules/ 3) What if you cannot get a registered female over 21 to stay the entire week of summer camp, cancel for everyone, cancel just the girls, talk tot he camp to see if they can help? 3A) what happens if you have a week long trek and cannot get a registered female over 21 to go, cancel for everyone, cancel just the girls, or ignore the rules? One thing thing not mentioned but can be done now: 18-20 year old female ASMs. Do we treat them as adults and they do not need a female over 21 with them, or do we treat them like Venturing "adult participants" and they need over 21 registered female? Asking because we have a 18 female who wants to be an ASM with her twin brother.

My biggest concerns are the following: 1) What happens when "linked troops" are having a "joint" meeting, but there is no female Scouter present for the meeting? 2) What happens when "linked troops" are suppose to have a "joint" camp out, but no female Scouter is able to attend? 3) What happen when "linked troops" are suppose to do a week long activity, but no female Scouter is able to attend?

There were requirement changes. Some of the adventures that were required, are no longer required. And other elective adventures are now required. Plus some requirements for the adventures have changed or disappeared. For example, Castaway no longer requires a week without electronics.