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"I LOVE YOU DIXIE CUP.... I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU DIXIE CUP...."

Already know about "linked troops" that will in reality be a coed troop. Only thing stopping my troop from doing just that, at the moment, is the fact that the majority of Scouts, parents, and others are completely against it, and some will leave over the matter. However if the separate girls' troop does not work out, the CO will revisit the decision.

So are someof the Scouts. Oldest REFUSES to even discuss one MB because it is handed out like candy at summer camps, without Scouts actually doing all of the requirements. He now has 1 requirement, demonstrate several specific moves, and he is done. But because of the summer camps and folks getting it without earningit, he's lost all interest.

Creek is an Eagle and advertised once in Boys' Life magazine back in the day. I know he rented a local scout camp for some cometition.

Regarding the camping within 2 years requirement, that has been around for some time. Sadly some Scout units do not camp much, so that had to put that in.

Press relaeses are suppose to be out today I read on FB.

For early adopters, you were suppose to have a minimum of five. However that was not enforced. Just like separate dens was not enforced.

Houma of Louisiana are also supportive of the OA. Heck, several of the lodges down there have helped the Houma in their appeal for Federal recognition.

Several posts on the Vigil Honor facebook page comment on that, as well as comments on a ceremonies FB group, and my lodge chief, who is heavily invovled in AIA on the section level. That annoucement is suppose to be made at NOAC this summer from all indicators above. I know a lot of folks who will be ticked off.

Agreed, there have been several times that my sons patrol have met at my house. I would be the only adult home, and usually either go outside and play with youngest, or go to my office and shut the doors.

Once upon a time, Sea Scout Ships and Explorer Posts cold hold OA elections. That ended sometime in the mid-late 1980s. So I am not to concerned about that. What concerns me is the Lenni lanape Lore as I have been told that chapters are to no longer do Arrow of Light and Cross Over ceremonies, nor are they to wear Native American regalia. I think the OA will lose alot as a result.

That will cause problems for some units. I know back in the day, I was the only adult at camp the entire week, and 2 other adults would swap out. And yes, I was 19-20 when that happened. Also know of troops that have challenges with 21+ adults doing things and rely heavily on their 18-2o year old adutls. That is so screwed up. But saw that coming, especially with the introduction of girls. IMHO BSA is beginning to prepare for coed patrols, despite what they are saying about separate programs and "linked troops."

Why does this song keep popping into my head? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ2X9SANsME

Well, Wood Badge was described as the "Mountaintop Experience" and promoted as the completion of training back in the day in my home council. Once you went through the weeklong course and were working your ticket, you usually staffed all the other training programs. Heck the only reason why I was able to staff the Junior Leader Training Conference as a 20 year old Scouter was because I went through the old Brownsea 22 Course for Scouts, and had the same training foundation as the other Scouters who were working their ticket, or complete WB. While the previous Cub Scout Trainer and Boy Scouter Courses were not perfect, from my experiences having Scouters in my troop who went through the older course, and dealing with both Boy Scouters and Cub Scouters who went through the two courses, if you compare them to the folks who go through today's course, the older course produced better Scouters who could work with their scouts and provide an outstanding program. And from talking to folks who have staffed both courses and have professional experience as trainers, they also said the older courses better served our youth.

1) WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2) Why does this not surprise me. I bewt she went straight from college to being a LfL exec too. I think the reason why BP and Green baer Bill were so successful is that they based their training programs on their personal experiences as youth growing up. They further experimented with their programs as adults before implementing, i.e. Brownsea island for BP, Troop 1 Schiff for Bill. Classes and theory can only take you so far. You have to LIVE IT to experience it.

District Director is a DE who supervises 1 other DE, usually in another district. Next step up is a Field Director, who supervises multiple DEs and DDs. DEs Are suppose to be serving in the background, supporting the district level volunteers who in turn support the units. If a DE has the right support, the units actually don't see him, they see the unit commissioner, or the event chair, or the advancement chair, etc. But when volunteers can't professionals must. So a lot of the jobs that volunteers don't want to do, the DE must do it.

Once upon a time Boy Scouter Wood Badge DID focus on outdoor skills as well as program and leadership as opposed to management. It was program specific and was the end all be all training course. It put you into patrols for a week straight. You camped, you did classes, and you learned.

I personally believe combining the Cub Scout Trainer Wood badge course and Boy Scouter Wood Badge course was a mistake. At one time WB was the pinacle of training, now not so much. Me too. Glad I took Bill's Brownsea 22 training for Scouts before it was discontinued.

No worries. I was hoping and praying the pioneering restrictions were gone. In fact, I was excited when you posted that there were no more. But the side of me that speaks BSA Bureaucratese Doublespeak said to confirm it before celebrating.

It will change over time. For me it was once all about the den and pack. I've moved on to all about the troop. Still focusing on the troop. But my current Scouting goal is to drink coffee in my chair and not have to get up for anything. Although after watching Shug Emery on youtube, and hammocking, I may just change that to drinking coffee from the hammock.

Yep. And the change to allow boating at pack and den activities occurred in May 2015, just prior to the June 2015-December 2016 Cub Scout Program. Funny story, I was complaining about some of the aquatic requirements not being able to be done except at council activities, and only if council's had the proper facilities. In my council, only 1 camp meets criteria, and it is at the extreme edge of the council (the neighboring council uses it more than we do!). Someone brought up all the safety stuff and why Cubs should only be able to do it at council events. I pointed out how Boy Scouts, Sea Scouts and Venturers could do those activities with the minimum of SSD and SA, why not Cubs? Then proceded how packs will have resources to do it safely, i.e. the 2 rescue swimmer instructors and former lifeguard instructor serving as CM and DLs in my pack. It got back to someone on the 411 committee, and May 2015 happened.

Yes, I know. I was actually warned by a mentor of mine who had dealt with a number of pros over the years he volunteered and worked summer camp staff. I should have listened. Not every SE was like the one I had when I was contemplating going into the profession. They also did a lot of questionable things regarding membership too, but that is a different story.

Yeah, Scouting and grad school can be challenging. I had to miss some fun stuff due to school and other obligations the first time around.Second time around was a lot easier as I was just involved in the OA.

Actually up to circa 2012, Patrols could camp on their own WITHOUT (emphasis) adults. I am going to assume that is what Mike Rowe meant. Still in there. Page 92 has this Note: Pioneering projects, such as monkey bridges, have a maximum height of 6 feet. Close supervision should be followed when Scouts are building or using pioneering projects.

His New Scout Patrol that he was the PL of wanted him to run for SPL. He got enough of the votes that he got it. All things considered, he did a very good job. One of the older Scouts, one he looked up and actually beat, later said he was the best SPL the troop had had up to that point. Sadly that is the hardest thing for some adults. We have had challenges with adults taking over and it has negated all of the progress we were making a few years back. The Patrol Method is messy, time consuming, aggravating at times, and frustrating at others. BUT IT WORKS! (emphasis)