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Challenge is that dad not only does not help, but encourages the boy sneaking out of the tent and sleeping with him. One time I tried to talk to the Scout into going back to his survival shelter instead of abandoning his patrol mate in the next shelter. dad sat there, didn't say a word until I commented that the trip would not count towards advancement. That got dad's dander up. That episode led to other Scouts congregating around the MC and his son that weekend. On another trip, when the son sneaked out, he point blank stated to the Scouters there that if his son wanted to sleep in his tent he would not talk him out of it. I should add, this is the same family that on several occasions showed up with their Tiger and camped with the troop. Tiger has been a distraction and has interfered not only with the patrol in the troop, but other troops as well as since he was not supervised.

DON'T. GO. THERE! I had to tell my district commissioner that according to council, he was untrained. This is the guy who not only taught commissioner service courses at the UoS, but taught commiser service at Philmont several years.

That is a question for the SM as he is the one who signed off on it. Unfortunately in my troop only the adults and JASMs can sign off, not PLs or SPL. And the ASM responsible for the Scout;s patrol is the summer camp SM, and did not realize he is 2nd Class. I think that is one of the issues to be discussed. I told the SM my concerns regarding the Scout tenting with him and the MC's reliability when someone id depending upon him. At camporee, he was suppose to set up and run an event for me all day. Instead he got someone else to run the event while he went fishing with his Cub Scout son. He committed to running the event 6-8 months prior to the camporee. The fishing derby was announced the week before, and over the camporee chiefs objections. And as I have mentioned, he has left early from camp outs in the past. IMHO, I cannot rely on him.

SM and ASM at camp will be having a talk with them. Both are on the record as being for "family friendly," but I think they are now seeing the disadvantages of such a policy. I hope the adults buckle down and get with the Boy Scout program. He's afraid. Heck he had his entire patrol in one shelter, and dad still had to sit outside the shelter. I was told by another adult that the entire family still sleeps in one room at home, but that is hearsay. Under the new Youth Protection guidelines, making fun of the scout would be considered peer to peer abuse, and would have to be reported to national and the local council. Seriously, nothing is being said to him directly as far as I know. Part of that may be the Scout with an actual medical condition, the one who IS slowly getting away from day because he HATES not being with his buddies. Part of it may be that 1/2 his patrol came from the same den, and they are use to the dad doing this. part of it may be that he is sneaking in so late at night, some of the others do not notice. But I know several Scouts are extremely angry about the situation since he is Second Class, and they feel he has not truly earned it. They feel he was rewarded for his behavior and do not want him in their patrol. Summer camp SM was surprised when I reminded him he is Second Class. Another ASM, the one who organizes HA trips has stated he will not be coming on any of his treks until he can camp without dad.

I was not at summer camp the entire week, just the last night since I was picking up Scouts. But I had a chat with the Acting SM about incidents that happened this week regarding one of the helicopter parents. This is the one who allows his son to sneak into the tent with him. Dad who is a MC, allowed his son to sneak into his tent the entire week they were in tents. Then both of them went off site one nite to stay in a hotel. This is the Scout who has been in the troop over a year. All of the camp outs he's been to he has either A) snuck out and slept with dad, B) had dad stay outside his tent until he fell asleep, or C) whined and left early. SM has had 2 conferences with the Scout in regards to the matter for Tenderfoot and Second Class. Scout was suppose to stop the matter, and it was after the 2nd Class SMC that the dad stayed outside the tent. Since being given Second Class, he has continued to sneak in or whined about the camp and left early. And then both of them left to stay overnite in a hotel. They didn't tell anyone they were doing this until they had arrived at the hotel. Mom and Cub brother showed up early for Family nite at camp. Apparently they got a hotel room nearby. When they had to leave, they went to the hotel instead of driving 4+ hours home. Understandable, but the dad and Scout should have remained at camp. I've commented on the problem in the past and have gotten little to no support on the matter from the other adults. I've even caught hell on the topic when I mentioned that camporees are Boy Scout events, not family events, and only Webelos would be allowed. I was told the troop is "family friendly." But one of the ironies from this week is the person that made the comment is the acting SM from summer camp. I think he is slowly seeing how family camping is causing problems to the patrol method. Another irony, one I am proud of, is the Scout with the documented medical condition. This is the Scout who must have a parent with him just in case. For a year, he was sleeping in dad's tent in case of an emergency. Last camp out the troop went on, he stayed his with his patrol mates! Then for summer camp, he stayed in a tent with another patrol mate! Grant you dad was in the next tent over. But this Scout is slowly getting what he wants; independence.

Now that Scout is a rank and they "5. Demonstrate your knowledge of pocketknife safety." I woul dhave them do a quick review. But I know some troops automatically award Scout rank at cross over because all the requirements for Scouting Advenutre coincide with Scout rank. Arrow of Light Adventure: Scouting Adventure Complete the following Requirements. Prepare yourself to become a Boy Scout by completing at least a-c below: Repeat from memory the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. In your own words, explain their meanings to your den leader, parent, or guardian. Explain what Scout spirit is. Describe for your den leader, parent, or guardian some ways you have shown Scout spirit by conducting yourself according to the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. Give the Boy Scout sign, salute, and handshake. Explain when to use each. Describe the First Class Scout badge, and tell what each part stands for. Explain the significance of the First Class Scout badge. Repeat from memory the Pledge of Allegiance. In your own words, explain its meaning Visit a Boy Scout troop meeting with your parent or guardian and, if possible, with your den members and leaders. After the meeting, do the following: Describe how the Scouts in the troop provide its leadership. Describe the four steps of Boy Scout advancement. Describe ranks in Boy Scouting and how they are earned. Describe what merit badges are and how they are earned. Practice the patrol method in your den for one month by doing the following: Explain the patrol method. Describe the types of patrols that might be part of a Boy Scout troop. Hold an election to choose the patrol leader. Develop a patrol name and emblem (if your den does not already have one), as well as a patrol flag and yell. Explain how a patrol name, emblem, flag, and yell create patrol spirit. As a patrol, make plans to participate in a Boy Scout troop’s campout or other outdoor activity. With your Webelos den leader, parent, or guardian, participate in a Boy Scout troop’s campout or other outdoor activity. Use the patrol method while on the outing. Do the following: Show how to tie a square knot, two half hitches, and a taut-line hitch. Explain how each knot is used. Show the proper care of a rope by learning how to whip and fuse the ends of different kinds of rope. Demonstrate your knowledge of the pocketknife safety rules and the pocketknife pledge. If you have not already done so, earn your Whittling Chip card. Scout Rank Requirements All requirements for Scout rank must be completed as a member of a troop or as a Lone Scout. If you already completed these requirements as part of the Webelos Scouting Adventure, simply demonstrate your knowledge or skills to your Scoutmaster or other designated leader after joining the troop. Repeat from memory the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. In your own words, explain their meaning. Explain what Scout spirit is. Describe some ways you have shown Scout spirit by practicing the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. Demonstrate the Boy Scout sign, salute, and handshake. Explain when they should be used. Describe the First Class Scout badge and tell what each part stands for. Explain the significance of the First Class Scout badge. Repeat from memory the Outdoor Code. In your own words, explain what the Outdoor Code means to you. Repeat from memory the Pledge of Allegiance. In your own words, explain its meaning. After attending at least one Boy Scout troop meeting, do the following: Describe how the Scouts in the troop provide its leadership. Describe the four steps of Boy Scout advancement. Describe what the Boy Scout ranks are and how they are earned. Describe what merit badges are and how they are earned. Explain the patrol method. Describe the types of patrols that are used in your troop. Become familiar with your patrol name, emblem, flag, and yell. Explain how these items create patrol spirit. Show how to tie a square knot, two half-hitches, and a taut-line hitch. Explain how each knot is used. Show the proper care of a rope by learning how to whip and fuse the ends of different kinds of rope. Demonstrate your knowledge of pocketknife safety. With your parent or guardian, complete the exercises in the pamphlet "How to Protect Your Children from Child Abuse: A Parents Guide" and earn the Cyber Chip Award for your grade. 1 Since joining the troop and while working on the Scout rank, participate in a Scoutmaster conference.

Big difference in the way camps operated when I was in the UK and here.While I do think classes for SOME, emphasis SOME MB classes is excellent ( shooting sports and aquatics come immediately to mind), there is too much emphasis on MBs and classes. One camp, which the adults said we won't got o again for some time had too much emphasis on MBs and not enough on FUN. (aside, it was a MB giveaway camp, only free time was at nite and you had to sign up for the free time activities in advance; then first come first serve) They are at Raven Knob for the 2nd year in a row, and appear to be having fun. good mix of program and classes. But the decision has been made to pick a new camp for next year to get variety. But the problem is widespread. parents, and some Scouters, want their Scouts to take as many MB classes as they can. I know one SM said that one of my Scouts wasted his time taking Swimming MB a second time because the Scout wanted to swim in the afternoon. OK I admit, I wish he would have taken Lifesaving a 2nd time instead, A) to practice his skill and B) So I could "drown" him when I became his victim. :) But I have heard of SMs saying they do not want their Scouts having free periods. And of course lots of parents. And some camps offer classes at nite! OK I can see Astonomy MB. One camp did Journalism MB at nite too, so they could print the camp newspaper. But I have seen the Citizenships and other paperpushing MBs being offered at nite. One of the things the camp I worked at in the UK was limit what you can book in advance. Some activities had to be booked in advanced, i.e. rappelling on the White Cliffs of Dover, so we could schedule the certified folks to run it. But other activities you selected 1, 2, or none prior to arriving, then when you got there, see what was available. We had no problems except for one Belgian troop. They were only suppose to stay 2 nites, biking their way across England. But when their chase vehicle broke down, then got in an accident, they stayed the entire 2 weeks with us instead.

Sadly at my council's camp, the problems you described are the norm. That is why we and other troops no longer go there. That camp was not what I was used to as the one I grew up and worked at was completely different. It was a shock to work there the first year. And it has steadily gotten worse. What broke the camel's back was A) one Scout "earning" a MB he dropped after the first day, B) a group of Scouts "earning" kayaking and/or canoeing in 2 days, yet they could not save their lives in a canoe or kayak when the troop did a float trip. As for female Scouters and Moms, I agree. I see some of the silly rules, i.e. no water guns, no laser tag, no pioneering projects over 6 feet, etc as a result of female being involved. I remember having a conversation with one mom about the gold MB sash pin. I told her it was a waste of money as a safety pin could be used. She stated that safety pins can be dangerous and hurt a Scout. I had to tell her that we teach Scouts to use knives, axes, and saws; I think they can handle safety pins. I had another mom tell me my P-38 can opener was a dangerous weapon.

Not for much longer. Boys can't do anything by themselves after October 1, 2018.

Understood. My uncle harped on me to get Eagle. I would not push him, and he may change his mind. We have one Scout who was only interested in earning First Class so he could go on the AT. Now at 16 years and 11 months, wants to earn Eagle. He went to an Eagle COH and it inspired him.

If they are active, advancement will come naturally. At least for Apprentice and Ordinary.

You need to contact the CO to explain in detail everything. First call is theirs. If they agree to have you, then apply to see if BSA will accept you. I can tell you this. We had one parent agree to be a DL and was denied because of a 20 year old substance conviction. He was actually being the den leader and we never got word about his acceptance or not until someone looked into it. The council is suppose to contact both the individual and the charter organization rep (COR). They contacted the COR, but never the individual in question. And the COR never told anyone.

I hate to sound harsh, but you need to recruit other Scouters. I know it's tough. But I have seen first hand the problems siblings cause. You have already lost one Cub over the siblings, you will probably lose more. And then when the siblings are of age, they will not be interested because they have already done they stuff and will be bored. The den leaders need to focus on all of the Cubs, and a non-Cub age child does not help that. And it only gets worse. It is happening with my troop, we have one family constantly showing up with their Cub Scout. He constantly interfering and distracting the Scouts and his parents let him run wild. SM won't do anything because the troop is "family friendly." He doesn't realize how he is hurting not only the Scouts, but also the Cub by allowing them to keep coming to meetings and camp outs. Agree that person would be ideal. You know coed dens are not allowed Good catch.

One reason why I and others do not like the term "Family Scouting" for "Coed Scouting." Meetings are meant for those in the program. Siblings are a distraction and can hurt the program. And depending upon what is done, i.e. siblings doing the activities along with their Cub brother/sister, the sibling will lose interest in the program when their time comes. I've seen this happen several times over the years. So I agree with Qwazse.

I forgot about that! Yes, costumes are considered "camp uniforms" just like camp T-shirt and swim trunks. And you are suppose to salute. Again the rationale for that is to make it simpler for everyone to understand who salutes and who doesn't: everyone salutes.

If you are making something with a sauce, especially an acidic sauce like tomato sauce, instead if parchment paper, buy the aluminum DO liners off Amazon.

@The Latin Scot, When I went to NCS to run a day camp, the book at the time stated that when wearing the 'Camp Uniform," i.e. day camp T-shirt, you are considered in uniform and you salute. Rationale for that is to make it simpler for everyone to understand who salutes and who doesn't. As for the rest. I don't know. I know at one camp I worked at, all staff members wore a domino necklace with their camp and field uniforms. There was a symbolic meaning to it, and receiving your domino was a big deal.

I'm not. I'm the product of a Catholic elementary, high school, and post secondary university. In high school, 30-40% of the students were not Catholic. And that was not just my HS, but all of them. That's because the Catholic schools provided better education than public. Kinda sad really. My mom worked for the public school system, sent my sister and I to Catholic schools. I had friends whose moms taught in public schools, and sent them to Catholic schools. Heck one girl I dated had parents who were principals in the public schools, and sent her and her sister to Catholic school.

OH. HECK. NO! He needs to get his butt out and practice, practice, practice. He will be a hindrance, and can cause major problems if he cannot pull his own weight. Been there. Done that. got hypothermia from it.

For a variety of reasons. one is that they are spending so much time on Scouting, they need non-Scout time with the family to recharge. Another reason is partiality. Sometimes DEs have to intervene in things, and a decision for the unit against another can seem like bias. Another reason is some units will defer to the DE and not actually do things for themselves. I admit, I ignored my boss when he told me to stop helping a unit I started. My church was the CO, and I wanted it to succeed. But my help backfired and the troop folded within a year.

DON'T GIVE HIM ANY IDEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously I am reading how some district trainers are not going over saws and axes in IOLS and telling students that axes and saws are not safe for the Scouts to use. I thought it was a joke until someone else posted the same thing in his area.

"You think they have a chance?" "It would take a miracle." "BYE BYE!" Back on topic BB Guns. Beleive it or not the first pneumatic rifles came out in the early 1500s Pioneering is another idea. Building catapults and balistas firing waterbaloons at the other patrols. Dungeons and Dragons themed orienteering course.

I worked as a staffer for both a summer camp and a HA sea base, DE, and for national supply. So I needed uniforms over the years. So I have a bunch of uniforms. Oldest item, a shirt is from the 1970s. Newest item, a CU shirt is from 2009. If you take care of them, they will last. Normally I'm wearing a 1980- 2009 era short sleeve uniform shirt with either unit insignia or district insignia. Necker is either the troop necker or the commissioner necker. For Eagle COHs outside of my troop, I will wear my Eagle necker. In colder months I will wear long sleeve CU shirt. Camping, I wear my 1970s LS shirt with minimal bling. Most comfortable shirt I own. With the OA, or on training staff , I am wearing a Venturing uniform, with either my OA necker, or training necker. Plus the OA sash as needed. hats with these uniforms are either a Smokey Bear or Expedition hat. I got 4 sets of Sea Scout uniforms, 5 if you include my old ship's sweatshirt that the wife stole 1 working khaki, 1 CNT khaki, both with minimal insignia, 1 dress whites with regulation Sea Scout insignia,and 1 "blue white dress" that was the HA sea base's uniform. That shirt is a little more "embellished" than as standard Sea Scout shirt with OA flap and NSJ insignia.

I always wondered why DOL rules for businesses are being used by a non-profit educational organization that is suppose to train youth to be productive and better citizens?

Lots of good advice. One thing I would ask the Scout is how does he work within the troop? Does he serve his patrol and troop? Does who do things cheerfully without complaint? Does he help others in a friendly manner? I knew one guy who was only out for himself. He was always trying to get out of doing work. When he did do the work, he complained or asking for help. When assigned instruction, was a bossy know-it-all who really didn't teach, but bossed around. He was never elected PL or SPL, and only PORs he held were appointed ones.