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That is the big difference. Other programs are not "Family Friendly" as BSA is now becoming. There is one way to currently get around the registration fee, but be registered with the BSA: Merit Badge Counselor. They need to submit an adult application, a merit badge counselor app (piece of paper listing what MB to teach and their level of expertise: Hobby, Training, Job), and do YPT2.

Forgot one, BECAUSE IT'S FUN! (yeah I'm screaming that at ya :)- ) Seriously though, that is a major mistake. Remembers doing a pirates' orienteering course with the goal of finding the treasure, ICE COLD CAPRI SUNS!

I'm not working with Webelos so bear with me. DID THEY REPLACE THE GEOCACHING REQUIREMENT WITH ORIENTEERING, AKA MAP AND COMPASS? (caps for emphasis, not shouting) I admit I though it was a mistake to require geocaching, but not basic orienteering. So I am happy that geocaching is gone. But did map and compass replace it? If not that is another mistake by national.

Webelos covers both the Webelos and Arrow of Light Badges. I think it was a mistake to call the 5th Grade Webelos "Arrow of Light Scouts" since they are using the Webelos book still, the electives can be used for either choices, etc. This has caused some confusion, especially with newer volunteers. I had a discussion with someone on this topic. They were adamant about 4th graders not working on AOL requirements until summer. When I asked, What about LDS Webelos workingon both atthe same time, they were dumbfounded.

We had a situation where we had to combine the Webelos 1 and Webelos 2 dens. It was interesting. The Webelos 1 got all the AOL required pins earned first, and used them the Electives for Webelos Badge. Once the Webelos 2s left, then they did the required Webelos Badge pins. Then as new Webelos 2s they did nothing but electives to get the required 14 pins total that are needed for both Webelos and Arrow of Light. They started before the December 2016 advancement changes, and just continued on using those requirements.

Originally it was the principles in the robes. I'm friends with the guy who did the research on the topic, and used the robes for OA trail crew ceremony he and a few others created. If memory serves, at one time all Arrowmen were encouraged to be in robes, and later regalia. I need to look in my OA history book, once Florence leaves. But I distinctly reading in one lodge's bylaws that all Arrowmen were encouraged to be in regalia.

The standard I was taught and used was while at the level they are at. So Something done as a Wolf, would not count. But something done as a first year Webelos, aka 4th grade Webelos aka Webelos 1 can count towards it since Webelos is 18-24 months normally. LDS units compress that into 12 months

I have enough dealings with helicopter parents outside on BORs, don't need to deal with them in a BOR. I do not think BORs are ruined by adults, but rather by the inability to retest and make sure the Scouts know what they are supposed to know. "The badge represents what the Scout can do, not what he has done," as an oldder version of the Guide to Awards and Advancement stated.

Reminding of the time that Scouts sat on BORs. I remember chairing a bunch until we found out national disallowed it. Agree best way to make a young, nervous Scout comfortable.

For whatever reason, my post from last night didn't make it. I know it's late in the game, but I've been busy getting ready for an unwanted visitor named Florence. This is a rough one for me since I will not be home with the wife and kids, but working. 1) I am glad to hear @HelpfulTracks explanation of what he meant. Anyone whose read some of my posts for the past 12-18 months knows some of the challenges I am encountering regarding adults interfering with troop operations. Between Gunship and the helicopter parents we have Scouts beginning to lose interest in the program. To make it more interesting, at the sametime the "Adult Led, Scout Run" consistency comment was made, some one of a FB group I'm on commented how the troop committee should make the plans. Person stated that Scouts are incapable of making plans, and SMs incapable of advising them, since "moms know their families schedules" or words to that effect. 2) As others commented, training has changed over the years. From a Cub Scout Trainer Wood Badge Course and Boy Scouter Wood Badge Course from when I was a new Scouter ( and there was a 3rd Explorer WB course before my time) to a one size fits all WB course of today. From reading syllabi and talking to WBers, especially those who have staffed all of either two of the three courses, and in one case all three courses, the current one leaves out so much program specific material that in the long term it is hurting the program. As for the basic training, one of the sad things about online training is that it does not give the opportunity to ask questions, network, and get some real life examples. Even my Exploring Basic Leader Training Self Study Course had me meeting with a counselor and going over things with him one time. As for the outdoor training, haven't seen the 2018 syllabi yet, but the last few updates have cut time spent on topics, or eliminated topic altogether. 3) BSA needs to get on the ball as we are now going to get a bunch of new volunteers with either no Scouting expereince, or experience from GSUSA, which ias completely different from BSA.

Local issue, but it may have been made by a BSA approved vendor since it has the FDL on it, and BSA will go after anyone using their logos. And the BSA backing came out circa 2009, so it is probably made 2002 - 2009. Symbolism on the patch represents the two targets: New York and Washington DC.

Please tell me you are joking? If you are not, please get SM Specific training ASAP! And if BSA training is encouraging this, and from reading the WB syllabus it is, then the BSA is truly dying. The Patrol Method will soon be in name only as patrols will no longer be allowed to do day activities on their own. And as Old School Scouters leave or die off. We will have a generation of Scouters who have no idea what Scouts are capable of, and should be doing. Scouts, BSA will truly be a Webelos 3, or AOL2, program with adults making all the decision, and the Scouts doing nothing. This is something I have been fighting with my troop for a few years nows: adults making all the decisions. The Scouts I've talked to are tired of it. The next camp out was arranged at the last minute, and it was done by the adults. It is something almost all of them have done, they are tired of the campsite, and won't be going as a result. Good link. I hope someone at National is reading his stuff. It appears as if the Patrol Method will truly die on October 1st, 2018 in the US.

If the premier training of the BSA, the mountain top experience for adults, uses the term "ADULT LED, YOUTH RUN" in it A) whoever came up with the WB21C course was never a Scout as a youth and has no idea about the program DESPITE their credentials and B) It explains a lot of the problems I am seeing with units, even ones with WBers. Why can't people today understand the simple concept of "Train 'em. Trust 'em. LET THEM LEAD!" ? Why does our society want to treat teenagers and young adults under 26 like children?

While the SCOUTNET server may be in Dallas, or even in muliple locations across the nation or cloud based, the information a council has access to is local. So a council in MA cannot access a Scout or Scouter's information in a council in WA. Hence SCOUTNET is local.

You do realize that SCOUTNET records are local. That is why when a member or volunteer moves from council to council, they must provide a copy of their records so that the council's database can be updated. I wish it was not the case. Heck I was told by the then national SCOUTNET directors that records would be transferable in the database. Would have helped the 5 councils I've been in since SCOUTNET came into existence.

I agree 110% on this. But many folks on various Facebook Groups will argue that it is not preparing us for coed Scouting. It is to get BSA more in line with other youth organizations. But isn't it coincidence that the policy was announced 10 months and that the effective date is 10-1-18, 4 months before Scouts BSA and girls forming "linked troops."

Who would have thought :)- I agree, there should be a skip to the test option. What I really wish was that the YPT2 training would have come out AFTER the May 2018 Youth Protection updates, the ones that killed the Patrol Method. Reminded everyone at Roundtable last night that effective October 1st, patrols can no longer have their own day activities without 2 registered Scouters over 21. Lots of ticked off Scouters. lots of complaints that it was not mentioned in the new YPT2 training that just came out.

With all due respect, I again call HORSEHOCKEY. Every single time I have seen councils' electronic records messed up, or even missing information, I have had to use the Handbook to correct the councils' records. And multiple council registrars have told me the handbook is the official record since it has all of the signatures.Council records are just that,records.

While I agree 110% with this as my troop has too many helicopter and lawnmower and gunship parents, I am going ot play Devil's Advocate as I am still affiliated with this one, parent heavy program. What about all the Cub Scout parents? Rule being applied to the entire year is asinine. All Cub parents would need to be registered is indeed the 72 hours is for a program year.

I believe this one sentence is causing the problem: "The 72 hours need not be consecutive." My interpretation is that one event 72+ hours, say summer camp, and if an adult is there Sunday 12PM to Tuesday 6PM (54 hours) then comes back Thursday at 8 PM and they stay past 6PM on Friday, they need to be registered. Apparently someone is interpreting "The activity" as Scouting's year round program. If this is the case. then ALL Cub Parents need to be registered.

I believe @MattR is talking about one of his certificates from 25+ years ago. Originally YPT was a one time thing. I don't remember when it went to biannually,1995 perhaps? I'll be honest, I have lost track of the number of times I've taken and taught YPT, Exporing/Venturing YPT, and camp staff YPT. It is all a blur. Sadly YPT is needed. I have dealt with too many YP issues over the years.

We had this come up since all folks going to summer camp had to be "registered leaders" with the BSA. Camp the troop went to told us to register the parent as an MBC.

HORSEHOCKEY! The official record for all Scouts is their handbook. I've seen too many problems with electronic records over the years. And every time they fixed them they used the handbook. But yes, Scoutbook is replacing IA.

In my 25+ years as a Scouter, this has happened to me multiple times in multiple councils.I have encountered the attitude that because I don't have beads, I know nothing. It doesn't matter that I am a product of the program, or the training I've taken, or the training I've staffed. Heck it doesn't matter that folks are now receiving their 3rd or 4th beads for staffing the course I took and staffed back in the day.It doesn't matter what district and council programs I've worked on, staffed, or organized. Because I don't wear two beads, I don't know squat. I gotta laugh at some things so I don't get ticked off. Best laughs was one district committee I was ona 20+ years ago as OA Chapter Advisor. We were trying to plan something or another (old age getting to me), and I suggested solutions to some problems that were being brought up that I encountered running JLTC at the site we were going to use. I was completely ignored by the other planners except my friend, who was a 3 beader. When he made the exact same suggestions, everyone listened and agreed with them. Another time with the same committee, were were organizing another activity. This time they listened, but said what I was proposing was not feasible, it would never work, etc. My 3 beader friend was there and waited about 10 minutes before smiling at me, and gives them my proposal almost verbatim. Rest of the committee though it was sheer brilliance.

Remember when YPT was suppose to be one time only? I do.