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They have worked for me and my hoodlums. I use them for a year of so, then get new ones. No problems yet. Even talked some folks into using a 16-20 once bottle for mixing powdered drinks and keeping it in a cargo pocket so you are not constantly asking someone to get it out of a pack pocket you cannot reach. I made a pack cover out of a contractor garbage bag, and I carry a spare to completely cover and tie up my pack at nite. I do not like wet foam against my back.

Gotcha. When i hear politics, nowadays I am thinking of extremes to each side and arguing/refusing to listen. You mean actual Oxford English Dictionary II definition of politics.

With all due respect, why is this in Issues and Politics? THIS IS AWESOME NEWS!

When I staffed JLT, NYLT's predecessor course, the #1 complaint from the Scouts at the 6 month post-course conference, was that the SMs would not let the Scouts use what they learned to run the troop. Back in the day, the SMs had a precourse meeting they attended with their Scouts going, and they could attend the graduation ceremony and banquet. Most of the problem SMs didn't attend either. Strongly recommend it, especially for new SMs.

@69RoadRunner THANK YOU!

The folks who went to NJLIC, NAYLE's predecessor course, that I encountered were mighty proud of those patches. And uy my argument or not, BSA has a policy of only creating new patches if demand for them is over a certain number. Heck when I ordered Sea Scout stuff a few years back, I think it was 2015, the stuff still had "Sea Exploring" tags on it. and Sea Exploring died July 31, 1998. So 17 years later they still were getting rid of inventory.

Not enough demand for it. I remember reading that there has to be X number of people eligible for it for them to produce it, excepting high level recognition like Silver Antelope. I am assuming there is a cool NAYLE temp patch. The previous course did.

So are there any brands recommended? Brands to avoid?

The Chinese knock off is what I am worried about. I am willing to wait and save up for good equipment. I don't like to keep buying something over and over. One reason why I am upset abut the stove. This will #3. Normal backpacking. I am not familiar with that brand, but worth looking into with 84% 4+ stars Yes I know that liquid alcohol fuels are not recommended, and "Equipment that is handcrafted, homemade....Examples include alcohol-burning “can” stoves...." are prohibited. That is why I bought one alcohol stove and received a 2nd one for a Christmas present. Both are manufactured by companies. Although I have made 2 alcohol stoves, I do not bring them to Scouts BSA camp outs.

As you some of you folks know, I am in a new troop. Old troop had no problems with alcohol stoves, and my oldest carried one on the AT 2 years ago and I did last year. I love mine and have had 0 issues with it. While the troop don't mind me using one, they do not want the Scouts using one. As for my Whisperlite, it has been unreliable. Very first camp out I try to use it on, and a seal busted causing a leak. And it didn't work on a second camp out. That was when I was introduced to alcohol stoved. It seems as if the preferred stove is a canister stove any recommendations? Not looking into a system like the Jetboil, and needs to be affordable. My wife is going to kill me when she finds out I need another stove.

I was going to say the sash pin, but those look like Eagle Palms to me.

WELCOME BACK @Kudu

What about the key phrase "youth from other countries...." Unless she is Canadian, the rule does not apply.

LOL 😂 Yes, BSA indeed has a history of contradicting themselves.

@HelpfulTracks, I didn't post links to prior WSJs. Obviously some of them didn't have internet links. I don't remember seeing the paperwork for the 1987 WSJ I wanted to go to, So it may have been destroyed in Katrina. But I remember 13 and First Class as the requirements. The link i did post was from this site and a letter that one of the other forum member received. His letter stated First Class was being waived by national

As far back as i could remember, which admittedly is 1983 WSJ in Canada, you had to be 13 and First Class. Even at the 1995 WSJ, the Scouts were 13 and First Class. Then there is this from this thread: There's a lot happening in mid-April 2019! Share your favorites with your Scouting network! World Scout Jamboree Registration Is Still Open! The 24th World Scout Jamboree (WSJ) will be held at the Summit Bechtel Reserve in West Virginia, July 21 - August 2, 2019. Some 50,000 Scouts from 170 countries will take part in this once in a lifetime experience. Troops and Crews are doing unit shakedowns in April-May; many Scouts BSA Troops for girls will gather in Charlotte, NC a couple days before the start of the WSJ to conduct the shakedown with other members from across the country, before traveling to the WSJ as a group. Scouts must be between 14 and 17 years of age at the start of WSJ. To encourage participation by new Scouts BSA troops for girls, the 1st Class requirement has been waved for these units. For more information, contact Jay Eidson, NCAC International Representative and BSA North East Region Commissioner. NOW, if National did indeed begin advertising WSJ with no rank requirements prior to 2017 NSJ, I am really starting to think the decision to allow girls was made way before the town hall meeting and the poll. Too many coincidences for me to say otherwise, i.e. July 2017 youth application with gender neutral language for Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, selection of CSE with limited traditional Scouting professional experience but tons of Exploring service, now the lack of advertising First Class for WSJ as well as the 2017 changes to camping requirements to 3 camp outs after being upped in 2016, as well as some other things my mind is drawing ablank on at the moment.

Actually if you want to get technical, she did not meet the rules unless she is a Canadian citizen residing in New York. From reading here and elsewhere, National will not allow her to have an EBOR until some point in 2020, when every other female will be able to have theirs. Sadly this is correct. Why her SE is allowing her to wear a Life rank I can only think it is threat of lawsuit, despite her not meeting criteria UNLESS she is a Canadian citizen residing in NY. This is why I am disturbed by the entire situation. Especially since those of us who predicted major changes to the program as a result of admitting girls were labeled sexist and bigoted, and have been told by folks that we should quit Scouting, or worse in some cases. Good question as to how she got accepted.

While it is noble to listen, sometimes you need to explain why it cannot be and have them face reality. There have been many girls who wanted to be Scouts. Sea Scouts, Exploring, and Venturing have been coed for a long time. Is it fair to those girls who have followed the rules, were members of the BSA, but not give them Eagle because they did not spend summers in Canada? Best Example I can give are teh fraternal twins that were in my district. Brother was a Cub Scout, Boy Scout, and Venturer. He became an Eagle. Sister tagged along for Cub Scouts, got briefly involved in GSUSA and quit, then got into Venturing as soon as she turned 14. Is it fair to her?

@Oldscout448 I sympathize with you. This is not the same program many of us signed up for. But there are some who are fighting tooth and nail to keep it the way it has been for as long as possible. But man is it frustrating. Parents are so focused on the recognition that they do not care about the experiences their child will have. Corporate hiring folks with academic credentials, but no real experience. But again, there are folks fighting tooth and nail. I think about you when I'm on the trail this weekend. Yep my new troop is going backpacking.

Yes, we want her to go through the entire process properly, just like all the other young men, and now women, in Scouting. While it is an exceptional point in Scouting, it is still not a time to reward those who have violated BSA policy. Her argument originally was that she had done the work while not registered with the BSA and tagging along with her brother and dad. While I had not seen tagalongs except at Cub Scouts until recently, apparently this is a big thing in other areas. If she receives Eagle for that, what about all the other sisters who tagged along througout the years? Her current argument, the one apparently the one her Scout Exec approved of, is that she earned Scouts Canada's highest award, and should be given credit for that. And they did, to Life. The problem that many of us have is A) the family did this as a way of bypassing BSA policy and B) she is not Canadian and thus does not meet the "Youth from other countries who temporarily reside in the United States, or have moved here..." portion of the G2A. Again she and her family want to be rewarding for ignoring the rules.Sadly it does a great disservie to the other young ladies in Scouting who have played by the rules. Sadly you would be surprised. While I agree with national making Ms. Ireland wait like everyone else, I have seen cases where individuals received Eagle without earning it. In my district recently, we had one Scout who did not complete his Eagle Project in time. Long story short, the benefiting organization kicked him and the Scouts working with him off the property because not only did he not follow directions given to him, the damage he caused required a contractor, and could have caused the benefiting organization to be fined due to lack of ADA access. Further, after 20+ years of working with Scouts on doing Eagle Projects, they no longer allow Scouts to do work their. It was only after threats of lawsuits that he received his Eagle. But the worse case was the one National approved after being denied at the district and council level appeal. major problems were discovered, and it was my first encounter with 'pencil whipping" The Scout was 13, and had plenty of time to rectify the situation.National stated "you do not punish the Scout for the mistakes of the adults" in their letter to council granting his Eagle. When the district advancement committee got the letter, they resigned in protest, stating " national can conduct these boards of review now."

Correct. Even for Eagle Scout, National will give the Scout their Eagle even if not properly earned. Regarding Ms. Ireland, I am told she will indeed have to wait, despite her local council apparently giving her Life.

Yes, I do not think my method of putting holes in my hat is a good one. Being shot at by German Scouts was not fun. And yes holes in the brim and body lead to water under the collar and in your hair. Definately need a raincover when I wear it out. My "new" Smokey however is still in it's press and only worn for ceremonial stuff. 25 years old and still looks new.

So the local council is approving Life, based upon her work in Canada. If she was Canadian, I could understand. But she is a US Citizen, and doesn't meet the "Youth from other countries who temporarily reside in the United States...." part.

With some of the suits I have seen, that is a real concern even without stuff sewed onto them. Some of the incidents that have happened in the Olympics, i.e. suits splitting during a meet, have happened at the meets I guarded at.

Upon closer look, I think it is. Sidney Ireland is the most prominent, but I am willing to bet there are others who are taking short cuts and what not. sad thing is that there are girls who are busting butt and are doing it by the book, but because of a few we are questioning them as well. Sadly this is not a girl only phenomenon. I see it with boys too. Heck one Eagle Scout I met got it after appealing to both the Council, and National. National finally gave it to him because "you do not penalize the Scout for the mistakes of the adults." Entire district advancement committee resigned in protest.