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Can those lawyers lose their licenses? Is that per signature, lawyer, false claimant, or overall.? And could the $500k per fake claim be used to reimburse real victim and/or cover the extra legal expenses that their false claims caused?

@ALongWalkstated "am at the point of thinking there is no way National survives now. Sure hope that LC’s are discussing some sort of confederations that will allow Scouting to continue. " and @InquisitiveScouter stated " We all need to begin thinking about this "What if?" If you desire to continue supporting Scouting, what will you do if BSA goes Chapter 7? (Let's make this a new thread, please?)" Well I am starting a new thread on this WHAT IF. For me I have no idea. I do not think I could support a local consortium, For several years now, my council has been virtually useless. I do not trust them enough to work with other councils, and be effective. If a merger of council occurred, I still do not know. While I hope and pray BSA survives, my selfish concern is to see my Life Scout sons get Eagle before BSA dissolves I hate to be a Negative Nelly, but I do not trust my council or national. I am focused on my unit.

All joking aside, I do not think BSA, nor councils, can survive. I looked at the revised plan found Revised plan found at https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/7f73fba1-1980-4766-a6b3-d80e203fd73f_10263.pdf and I got concerns. Especially since I know one council plans to sell properties and reinvest the money into the main property. Yet the doc above says they are suppose to go tot the trust.

They most certainly do. Anyone see the results of the MEMBERSHIP (emphasis) survey prior to allowing girls into Cub Scout and Boy Scouts? The membership survey's results have never been published to my knowledge. Only the non member survey, and it was favorable. Even before the bankruptcy, the only time they shared the survey data was the 2014/15 Eagle Palm Survey. That was published, with 94% AGAINST/STONGLY AGAINST (16% Against 78% Strongly Against) "Instapalms." Yet they did it anyway. National, clumsy.? That is the understatement of the year. As for council and program organization, it really depends upon your council. If you are lucky, you have a good council. Otherwise program is 100% on the units.

Again volunteers do the photos for BSA, with BSA having the rights.

Someone here mentioned when NCAP first went into effect years ago that NCAP would be a way for councils to get rid of unwanted properties by saying they do not meet standards. I am starting to believe it. Like @SiouxRanger, I know that the NCAP team in my neck of the woods have certified events and camps that really do not meet the new NCAP requirements. Long story short, several properties are being sold, and one is being retained and improved upon to meet NCAP standards.

Sad but true. Especially the ones that come to your email. They are not anonymous.

Didn't see that pic. I know they have a photosat map of the camp that was anonymously donated. Wondering if the donor will take it back.

Saw this on several friends' FB pages. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8396-Boy-Scout-Rd-Bailey-NC-27807/2061896886_zpid/? EDITED: only way to tell it was a Boy Scout camp is the name of the road and the lake's name.

@IndyDad 1. Welcome to the forums. 2. In regards to Merit Badge Pamphlets ( MBPs), BSA changes requirements so fast that I no longer recommend them. Seriously one MB had something like 5 requirement changes in a 8 year period. The information that is in the MBP is easily available via other sources: library books, online databases, Youtube videos, etc. I keep current with the requirement changes via www.macscouter.com. 3. good luck as a MBC.

Backpacking easily comes to mind. Cheaper to do your own than go to Philmont. Canoeing too. I know I did a 64 mile canoe trip in the Canadian wilderness for significantly lower price than going to Sommers HA base.

in 2020, my troop did their own summer camp due to COVID. It was a major undertaking, especially since we had less than 3 months to plan it AND we did not know if the camp would be open or not. Pros= Cheap, Local, focused, flexible. Cheap as in the cost to camp was about $70/person. Local as in within 30 minute drive and we had committee show up to do BORs. Focused in that the Scouts who needed to do T-2-1 requirements were able to do them that week. Flexible in that we made our own schedule, adapted it to weather conditions, i.e. moving the Wilderness Survival nite to a nite it would not storm, etc. Cons= no showers, VERY limited MB offerings, and local. No showers were a big turn off to the Scouts the improvised showers we created did not work. The biggest turn off for the older Scouts was the limited number of MBs They only earned one, if they had not already gotten it. and got a bunch of partials. A lot of the Scouts view summer camp as MB school. Local was also a con because it was a camp we always got to. They wanted someplace fresh. But COVID put a major damper on things.

Thank you. I want a copy.

Had several meetings this week about what is going on in Scouting. . Apparently I am spreading rumors since I keep up with the bankruptcy , state what is being told in court (via this site and others), and ask questions that the PTB either do not want to answer, or do not know the answer because they are not informed. I asked about council mergers since BSA plans to downsize the number. Answer is council mergers wont be happening if goals are met. I asked about why we are investing in a camp, when the merger possibility exists and the camp will get sold. Told again no mergers are going to happen if goals are met. Asked about when the changes to YPT will occur, and was told I am spreading rumors. Sad thing is I find out more here and on other sites, than I do from my council.

My understanding is the 72 hour rule, i.e. no registration needed for adults if the activity is under 72 hours, will be going away for Scouts BSA, Sea Scouts, and Venturing. It will remain for Cub Scouts.

You are joking that it came up, right?

This is GREAT ADVICE! (emphasis) Scouts BSA is NOT about what you want, but what the Scouts want. I was involved in a troop, and some new, well intentioned, but untrained, started taking over the troop. They wanted a continuation of Cub Scouts. As my frustration with them and the situation increased, I backed away because IT WAS NOT ABOUT ME BUT MY KIDS (caps for emphasis). As long as my sons were having fun, I was fine. It was when they started having issues with the new adults, and they were no longer having fun, that the decision to leave was made.

i have seen worse. I have seen Elangomats talk, eat and drink both in front of candidates and away from candidates, sleep under tarps, and sleep back in camp away from the candidates. I was taught an Elangomat redoes the entire Ordeal.

You do realize that Webelos can Cross Over as early as December? That would be a problem in our area.

I know things happen with staff. I have been asked teach classes at summer camp. Also some courses ask you to supplement the staff, i.e. BSA Lifeguard. But I have not been to a summer camp that has charged full price for adults. Every camp I have been to or worked at had 2 adults free, and some type of formula for extra adults. And the fee for the extra adults has never been the same price as the Scouts. As for charging the Scouts extra to cover adult costs, i have families that can barely cover the cost for their Scouts. In fact i have 2 Scouts not go to camp this year, because they could not raise the money within 5 weeks of joining.

If a Scout or Scouter cannot properly undergo the tests of the Ordeal, are they truly worthy to join the Order? If the tests really do not mean anything, why bother having them, and let everyone join the OA? As for "hazing," that is a direct quote from the LA when i asked why we do not send the folks who are not undergoing the tests to leave.

I remember when you could be told to leave the Ordeal if you were not following directions. Now it is considered "hazing" if you tell them to leave. That blew my mind when I first was told this. Sadly I have seen folks talking the entire time, and when asked if they think they deserve to be members, said yes. I have seen an adult be placed in a work party of one, because he was extremely negative, would not stop talking or complaining, and it was affecting the rest of the work party. He got in. Worse was I saw an entire work part stop and refuse to do another thing. Again when I asked why we don't send them home, I was told it would be considered "hazing," and they have to make the decision. IMHO, if they do not follow the rules, they made their decision. Sadly national disagrees.

I been in 5 councils, 6 including the national council, and worked in 2, as well as for national supply. I have volunteered on the council level, and have friends who have volunteered on the regional and national levels. I stand by what I said. And how many here discuss issues like the above that are done on the council level?

I may need to tell my troop Summit is off the list. That is one camp someone wanted to look into.

Did 2 adults get in for free? Camp we went to did that, and extra adults are 1/2 price of the Scouts.