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This is from an email I got from national. Hope it helps January 17 Webcasts on the New Cub Scouting Program A new Cub Scouting program is launching June 1, 2015, that will be more fun and exciting for boys, and easier to implement for unit leaders. To ensure you are ready to make the transition, a number of webcasts will be hosted on January 17 to outline the coming changes, how to prepare, and when resources will be available. Cubmaster Webcasts: Saturday, January 17, at 8 a.m. (Central), or Saturday, January 17, at 3 p.m. (Central) Den Leader Webcasts: Saturday, January 17, at 9:30 a.m. (Central), or Saturday, January 17, at 4:30 p.m. (Central) LDS-Specific Considerations* Saturday, January 17, at 11 a.m. (Central), or Saturday, January 17, at 6 p.m. (Central) * It is recommended that those interested in the LDS session view one of the role-specific sessions first. Although the content will be geared to the roles listed, anyone with an interest in learning about the new Cub Scouting program is welcome to attend. The sessions will be recorded for later viewing. It's easy to attend! Just navigate your Internet browser to http://www.livestream.com/bsanationalcounciland you are ready to view the webcast! As always, for more information on the new Cub Scouting program, please go to www.scouting.org/programupdates. Help spread the word about the webcasts to ensure others are ready for the new Cub Scouting program!

J.edi, New books are suppose to come out 1 May. Current first year Webelos who earn their Webelos badge by May 31st can continue using the current program and book for Arrow of Light if they want to.

If memory serves, CS Roundtables in March, April, and May are suppose to be going over the changes to the program per the CSRT guidebook. Grant you, the CS RT book for 2014-15 was written a year ago and some of the info in the booklet may be out of date, but the book does give a link to the updates website and says to keep a lookout on it. I know at our UoS in late February 2015, I was told we were going to have sessions on the new program with one of the folks on the committee giving the presentations. I'm looking forward to that because 5 days later is my CS RT and I have to do the presenting then. As to BALOO, and OWL, until otherwise directed I'd keep to those syllabi. BUT I would mention changes as you know them, i.e.camping required for the ranks now, changes to the Webelos Activity Pins (WAPs) etc.

WOW. OK, I've known instances where the kids went home with somebody other than a parent, but usually it is known in advance.

Yes, LDS units do do things a little differently. Biggest differences I know of is that Cub Scouts is the old 3 year traditional program (8 year olds are Wolves, 9 year olds are Bears, and 10 year old are Webelos), 11 year old Boy Scouts do not camp and meet separately from the rest of the troop, and their leaders are appointed by their bishops.

Awesome!

Lots of good answers. A few more: When family obligations start taking a back seat to your Scouting addiction, it may be time to hand it in. When it's time to move along to another stage,i.e going from CS to BS, or as one SM is doing, BS to Venturing, it may be time to hand it in. Yep I quit one position b/c I was tired of the garbage I had to deal with. Another time it was because I didn't get the support I needed when a bad situation arose. But most time, I had to turn it in due to moves with work. Right now I'm debating turning in my CSDL badge. We got a strong pack and I know we can find a DL to replace me as I had to go back to Tigers twice before for my younger sons. As much as I want to stay with my youngest, he actually behaves better when I am not around. Yep he's the troublemaker in my den. But my oldest son's troop needs some help. The SM is getting on in years and has health issues. My wife was talking to his wife, and his wife mentioned he needs to step down. The heir apparent is back in Cubs Scouts, and may be there a while. Plus his schedule is absolutely crazy. He's on call a lot, and has missed meetings and trips because of being on call. To bad the citizens of my town won't behave.

The Tiger Cub device is actually the newest one, it was created AFTER the decision to merge all three DL awards into one. And it was pointed out that there was NO (emphasis) Tiger Cub device as originally there was no need for one. So that may be why the TC device was not mentioned; it wasn't around yet when the book came out. Also, the language in the notes have not been updated to include the the CS and Webelos devices for the Den Leader Awards. So it may have been overlooked by the editors. Not the first time that national had minor errors in it. SO, wear you knot with the brand new TC Device and old CS Device on it with pride!

I'm not aware of a standard size for a dance arbor. Depends upon on the number of dancers. Question: doe the 35' diameter include benches as well as dance space? I ask because 35' for dancing seems adequate, I'ld go with 50' diameter personally. But if that included benches as well dance space, I would say no. If you give me some time, I'll look up the sizes of two arbors at scout camps that I've danced in.

'Skip, May I Ripoff and Duplicate ( R&D)? That was AWESOME!

"So be it" J.edi WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!

I would wait until they move up in June to buy anything since everything Cub Scout changes to the new program June 1st. Or at the very earliest wait until May 1st when all the new, indepth information comes out, including books. Hopefully national learned from the fiasco that was the Centennial Uniform. I do not know if they are keeping the Tri-colors or not. But currently Webelos can wear the activity pins on the hat. BUT again that may change June 1st.

What were the parents thinking? Are they out of their minds? Sorry but the parents were flat out wrong, and you have every reason to be ticked off.

Yep, YPT is to protect both the youth AND adults. I know of one situation where a very experienced and good leader lost her membership because of an accusation. Long story short, she caught a "scout" being a peeping Tom by the ladies' showers after hours. When he was confronted by folks about it, he accused her of making a pass. Since it was a "He said, she said" case, national took his word over hers.

Fred, I not only agree with you, but would expand it some. Depending upon the unit's leadership you are asked to serve as commissioner for, if you served with the leadership in ANY (emphasis) unit level capacity, it may take years to serve with them as a UC. You know the situation with me and my CO's troop when I was their acting UC. I was not a leader with that troop, but knew all of the current leadership via the CO's pack. Whenever I tried to help out or offer advice, I was told, "that's not how we do things in the troop," "Scouting has to change with the times," "you don't know what you are talking about," and the two - three hours of complaining about the lack of training in the DISTRICT (emphasis again) when I had to stay overnight with them because everyone left camp except the SM and 2 scouts.. That last one really broke the straw since A) the district offers SM Specific and IOLS once a year, B) council has a total of 9 opportunities each year for that training since each district is responsible for conducting their own course, and C) I specifically planned an IOLS course around THEIR troop calendar so that all of their leaders needing IOLS could get it. Only 1 showed up, the others excuse was "it's too cold to camp."

Sent, I am so sorry to hear that. I know how much influence a former leader can have, for good or evil.

"High Adventure" doesn't require paying someone to plan, organize and guide. If the scouts (patrols or crews) have been doing scouting adventure by planning and organizing, then doing so for the next level of high adventure is the next logical step. True, but sometimes the guides can be FUN! When I did the Canadian trip, we had a Canadian Scout troop provide us guides. We had a lot of fun, and a few years later, I was able to return the favor and be a guide for them. It saddens me that scouting has moved from scouts making their own gear, finding places to camp, and organizing their own adventures to needing to raise money to pay for expensive hi-tech stuff, and extra gadgets and paying for expensive camps and guides.1> Blame some of that on BSA legal. Some of the simplest, and lightest, equipment to make are some of the various can stoves. Heck the CS leader How To Book even had instructions on how to make them. Now they are verboten. One thing about gear and expense, yard sales, ebay, craigslist, military surplus, etc are great sources. Key is take care of the gear. As one of SPLs would say, "Take care of your gear like you would take care of your girlfriend. Treat it right and you will will have a long health relationship." Sad when an eagle scout doesn't know how to plan and organize a basic camping trip without paying someone to do it for them. A Scout is thrifty. Agree 110%.

While it is possible, I would not recommend it. Sometimes folks need an "expert," i.e. someone not in the unit, to get advice from.

There are local council HA bases you can go to. PAMLICO SEA BASE outside Washington, NC is one that focuses on sailing and kayaking. And there are many others. Also you can always have your troop plan their own HA trip. Appalachian Trail is popular in my neck of the woods, but also look at canoe treks and sailing cruises. As a Boy Scout, I did a 64 mile canoe trek in the Canadian wilderness. As a Sea Scout, I did a week long cruise with my ship. More work is involved in planning it, but they are cheaper.

'Gipper, I feel for ya. I actually lost a TIGER (emphasis) becasue the pack didn't camp enough for the family ( 3x/year). I know my troop did a "wilderness survival" type campout for Webelos needing an overniter to introduce them to the troop. What started out as an accident, all of our gear being destroyed and finding out the night before the overnighter, became a tradition as the WEBELOS ATE IT UP! (emphasis, ok maybe a little shouting with glee ) When I suggested that a troop do that with the incoming Webelos, one of the CS mom's freaked out and said there is no way the Webelos could do that. When I told her we use to do it every year, she looked at me like I had a thrird eye. Anotherguy, If you look at the new requirements, every level has some type of camp out is required. Don't know how the LDS units are going to del with that.

By any chance, is that author William Hillcourt? I know he wrote a few non-BSA books on the topic.

Mike, I saw a similar situation in HS with the JROTC unit. School wanted the school colors used during for certain events during the school year. So the color guard was expanded to 5 people instead of the usual 4. 2 rifle bearers, US Flag, USMC flag, and school flag. And with my CS pack, we've had a situation where the pack flag's stand is MIA ( that's a different story for a different time). So we uses the CO's church flag in place of the pack flag. Hopefully the troop will eventually return our stand to the pack.