Eagle94-A1

I believe the competition with council camps is the reason. As for the other objections, I have not encountered them in 10 years of working with a pack. Cub camping is family camping. In the packs I worked with and been in, families and dens worked together. Costs are not significantly increased, and having things stretched out over two nights is actually more relqxed than stressful. Some of the camp outs my pack went on had a 2+ hour drive one way. As for NCAP, that is for district and council activities, not unit level. An d folks have asked to see the data, and it is not being shared,

[sarcasm on] You don't say! [sarcasm off].

Service hour requirement for Life states " While a Star Scout, [emphasis] participate in six hours of service through one or more service projects approved by your Scoutmaster. At least 3 hours of this service must be conservation related."

While never a mission of the OA, it has occurred. I've posted in other threads how local Arrowmen did help preserve Native American Heritage. Especially in the early days of the OA when it was illegal to practice aspects of Native culture.

Regalia was not mine to give away, even though the chapter left it behind when they moved, And yes I know a dancer who would have loved some of the items they had. The supplies went to the lodge instead. do not know what will happen to it. Now the photo album that was in storage, I have that. I donated the album and all the photos in it way back when. Good memories of a better time,

I have used that term myself lately, for both "Hollywood Indian" ceremonies and Scout uniformed ceremonies. But maybe I am spoiled. My lodge growing up had a relationship with the local nation, and had members on our LEC. One of the guys I worked with and did ceremonies with had an uncle on the tribal council. We worked with them to improve our regalia and make it more authentic. Lately it seems as if folks could care less about truly mastering ceremonies. We practiced and memorized ceremonies back in the day. We worked on both chapter and personal regalia. sadly I have seen ceremonies thrown together with folks who have never rehearsed together before the event. I have seen folks read from scripts at podiums. I have seen Ordeal ceremonies where only 2 people read the script. And I have seen adults ad lib a Call Out not even in uniform. Really sad thing is that the chapter heavily invested in researching authentic regalia and spent money to by supplies needed to make the authentic regalia. But 10+ years after purchase, the itemsare still in sealed bags waiting to be made.

depends upon the lodge and/or chapter. I have seen some extremely hi quality regalia used.

Sadly my mom did. In the 1970s a major CSA scandal hit my hometown that had national implications. it was the 1970s sex abuse case in New Orleans. When my family moved to the suburbs, it was one of the reasons why my older brothers did not continue in Scouting. My mom was reluctant to let me join, despite the positive experiences my brothers had while in, but let me join when my uncle and cousin advocated for me to join based up on their experiences.

that is my it needs to be a separate Cub Activity now

Not every Scout comes from Cubs.

Parent of a potential scout who is still getting to know the adults and doesn;t trust us yet with their child's first camp out?

THIS IS WHAT I AM EXPECTING. (EMPHASIS) This is currently in place, and has been for a time, but is not working. Doubtful. As someone on FB stated, the decision has been made, and the survey is a figleaf

There are a lot of State Recognized tribes, and some do have relationships. I know at one time the Houma of Louisiana had members on Chilantakoba Lodge's executive board.

There is no consensus in the Native community on this topic. Some are anti BSA, others are pro. it is all over the place.0

Correct. Heck we cannot align with ourselves. Look at some of the discussions on Facebook, or even here. BP even had a problem with BSA when he was alive. Too many professionals was one of his problems.

IMHO, because BSA was once the largest, wealthiest NSO, they would do whatever they want. For example, Prior to August 1, 1989, BSA members had to earn the World Crest. Between that fact, and the charter concept, lots of rules in BSA are not elsewhere. For example, alcohol is perfectly acceptable in many NSOs, but not here. And that rule came from one of the largest CO partners at the time, the Mormon Church.

BSA uses Charter organizations to support the program. They have a say in how the program works. Another reason is the heavy influence of the Young Men's Christian Association, aka YMCA, The Y, in the early years.

A few of the reasons why folks in my neck of the woods do not use them are 1) Council has a habit of losing paperwork, even hand-delivered paperwork, 2, they never received word if the fundraiser was approved or not, and 3) one SE did indeed demand 10%-15% of the profits for it to be approved. This is the same SE who yelled and cursed out district level volunteers, causing them to quit. As you can imagine, that did not go over well.

Wish I could help more.

All I can find is https://www.scouting.org/resources/disabilities-awareness/ and the email contact SpecialNeedsChair@scouting.org is the email to send Zoom may be your best bet for contact info. I just do not want to download the app/

Here is the deal @RichardB. A rule that supposedly has been a round for a few years, yet NO ONE , including councils, knew anything about except for you is being placed up on us for no reason whatsoever. In fact we pointed out instances in BSA's own literature that showed the rule is brand new. And the were taken down. We, the unit serving volunteers want to know why it is acceptable for a pack to camp two nights at a council event, but not on their own at a council approved location? We want an explanation as to why something that has been allowed for over 20 years is no longer allowed. As to the links you provide, they do not answer the question we all have: Why are packs limited to 1 night of camping on their own when this has never been a published rule, and was in no BSA literature previously? (emphasis added). As for my Dodgeball fixation , when will you change the FAQ to remove the lie " Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting" A Scout is Trustworthy. We both know it was indeed an approved activity since at least 1929 until the ban in 2018. Heck I even gave you the link on BSA's own website about Dodgeball being an approved game. Which you quickly removed. All you need to do is remove the sentence ," Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting" from the FAQs and I would be fine.

The only rationale for this arbitrary rule is that the folks making it are under the impression that 'Cubs don't need to camp." Yep heard this from a member of the council camping committee a while back. I know one pack will now start having two overnight experiences when they do pack camping. One overnight experience will be from 5PM Friday to 12:00 Saturday, and a second overnight experience from 12PM Saturday to 11AM Sunday. Families can choose which overnight experience they want to attend, or if they want to do two over night experiences in a month. .

Don't worry, I am still waiting for the FAQ on Dodgeball to be changed. Before they took it down off their website, I pointed out how Dodgeball, and several varients, were approved games by BSA, and gave them the link. They took down the link, but never changed the FAQ. Thankfully print copies showing they are lying about Dodgeball exist.

Actually if you look up Webelos Overnighter in the Language of Scouting webpage, they changed it last week to say" 1 night." Prior to that, it was "one or two nights." Welcome to 1984.

@5thGenTexan, WOW that is not a troop but Cub Scouts. I will give you an example of what I mean. Last year the troop did a whitewater rafting trip. We wanted to make sure everyone going was prepared, and worked on those knowledge and skills for 3 weeks. Those folks got the Whitewater Award, and some advancement done.