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At least your council is doing what it is suppose to do. I not have seen a list of approved camps for Cub Scouts to use in the 8 years I've been involved with Cubs. Then again about 5-6 years back, we still had members of the council camping committee saying "Cubs don't need to camp." Regarding Tour permits, planners, whatever they are called, I'm wondering if international travel will need it still?

Coleman quality is not what it used to be. My wife got me a 6 man Coleman for the family as a Valentine's Day gift. It's OK, but it leaks like a sieve, even after multiple coats of waterproofing. Also it is a major pain to set up and take down. When we family camp now, we have used 2 tents. In the future 2 tents and a hammock. As others have mentioned 2-4 man tents are the way to go. Easier to set up. More uses besides car camping, and less problems at nite. One time we used an 8 man tent and had an entire patrol in it. No one slept that weekend as a result. That 8 man tent was only used once more, and by adults. Finally, someone made a comment about parts. That is a concern specially with Coleman. My troop has a bunch of 3 man Coleman Hooligan tents, and they no longer make replacement vestibule poles.

I'm going by memory and 3rd party story. We had one Eagle who did so poorly on his project, the beneficiary cancelled it mid project, hired a contractor to fix the problem, and no longer allows Boy Scouts to do projects on their property. I know this problem was in his book as part of the process, especially the mistakes he made, and what he learned from it. And he did another project to completion.

1) Beaglelover, you are not in a council in NC by any chance? We had 5 units with rechartering issues receive letters and emails with exact verbalize. 2) In some cases, the Scouts do not know that the unit's adults have not followed through with the charter. We had a case where a charter was lapsed, and a Scout went for his Eagle. The district did not penalize him by not allowing him to have his EBOR. But I know the completed paperwork was on hold until the issues was resolved.

Link provided is the one I used. For the guy who pulled me out of the water after my accident. It was downgraded to Certificate of Merit,.There is a time limit, so make sure you begin the process ASAP. Sounds silly but MAKE SURE THEY ARE REGISTERED PRIOR TO SUBMITTING! (emphasis) Long story short, one person the Cub Scout pack was going to submit was not registered as an ADL like she was suppose to have been. Good news is those involved don't care about recognition. Bad news is that because the one who jumped in and pulled the person out was not a registered leader, the other two leaders who took over CPR from her refused to have the paperwork submitted. Definately something to be proud of. And I bet it was a great reward for you to see your Scouts in action.

That's because until a little under 2 years ago, wearing a necker without the uniform was not allowed in the USA. 2007 WSJ celebrating the Centenary created World Neckerchief Day, where Scouts are suppose to wear their neckers. That created the push to make wearing neckers without the uniform an option. Again this has only been since June 1, 2015 at the earliest, not even 2 years. And it didn't get publicity until August 2015

Unfortunately, we have once again a discrepancy in BSA documents that is causing confusion. Some BSA literature say cabin and other indoor overnighters do not count as camping, i.e. Camping Merit Badge requirements and BSA's definition of camping. Then JTE says something. BUT looking at the JTE questions, the words "...for JTE purposes?" To me that means it would not count as camping for anything else The OA appears to use the Camping Merit Badge requirements for OA eligibility. From the Guide to Unit Elections which is a BSA publication "Q. Can a Scout use the same camping nights towards the requirements of Camping merit badge and for the OA camping requirement. A. Yes. While the Boy Scout advancement program often prohibits one action or event from counting towards two different requirements, camping nights can be counted towards both Boy Scout advancement and the OA camping requirement."

Indoor environments do not count as camping. http://www.scouting.org/Home/OutdoorProgram/Camping.aspx "Organized camping is a creative, educational experience in cooperative group living in the outdoors. It uses the natural surroundings to contribute significantly to physical, mental, spiritual, and social growth." (emphasis added.)

Some materials are irreplaceable in that the materials today do not hold a candle to the old stuff. When I did ITOLS a few years back, I handed out additional info from older materials. PM me if you want to get rid of it. I may have a home.

One troop I was in had a bar, but it was secured. You needed a key to open the roll up window, and the door to get behind the counter. Another troop had a bar, but they would put up a screen to limit access. A third I know about met in a different room than the bar.

Part of a DE's responsibilities is being the chapter staff advisor. That's why if a pro is not an Arrowman already, they are exempt from the camping requirement, and are automatically eligible. Grant you, most DEs are so busy that unless they are the lodge staff advisor, they do not do much with the OA. But they are a few exceptions. Going to an Ordeal and preparing the ceremony area in the mud and rain, as well as helping coach the team, broke the ice with the volunteers in my district back in the day. I know there have been some changes to the inductions process, i.e. SMs can get a waiver for the camping requirement, but as far as I know district and council level volunteers must have it still. My district only had one person who met the requirement, and he's going in a few weeks.

It could also be said that the person lied in order to get membership into the program. Thus it could eb said the applicant committed fraud.

"Campaign hat scream State and County law enforcement in today's world, they are the only ones left using them on a regular basis. except for the military. I would say they wear more often than any Scout or Scouter." Do not forget park rangers. I used to wear my smokey camping, but after getting confused with a park ranger for the second time, I wear the expedition hat on public lands.

Unfortunately in today's litigious society, it is easier to cave in to a lawsuit than to fight it. One company I have friends in told me how they were hit by a multi-million dollar fine by the feds over something that was allowed at the time they did it, but now is now no longer allowed. Fed retroactively put the ban in place, and demanded their money back, plus penalties and interest. Company lawyers said they could fight it out, and could probably win too. BUT, the entire legal process could take years. While the lawsuit was in the courts, payments would be put into escrow until the case was settled. without the government contract the company would go out of business. So they settled.

SSScout's story reminds me of 2 new DEs in my council growing up. We had 3 brand new, straight out of college DEs who were told by the SE that they needed to go through the OA Ordeal. They show up, and go through the Pre-Ordeal ceremony. When they found out what was expected of them, 2 said the heck with it and left. The third one underwent the Ordeal. Monday morning all three were called into the SE's office. The new Arrowman was congratulated, given some OA related item from the and left. The other two were immediately fired.

If memory serves, National did make something like mainhunter's cap once upon a time. I think there is a pic of one in my old field book. Gonna have to pry it from middle son's hands.

OK found a place for replacement chin straps https://www.strattonhats.com/products/21-1-Piece-Leather-Strap Ebay may help for hat bands. here is one http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/232258590488?vectorid=229466&item=232258590488&rmvSB=true Another option would be to make your own replacement band. http://www.hobbylobby.com/Crafts-Hobbies/Leather-Crafting/Kits/Large-Leather-Dog-Collar-Kit/p/142068

I don't know why they quit, but I am going to take a guess. Folks were buying the replacement parts and putting them on USGI surplus hats. While I do not have the BSA hatbands, I do have the BSA chinstraps on my two smokeys. And before anyone cries "foul," both smokeys were issued to me by my council. One issued upon completing Brownsea 22, the second upon staffing JLTC.

Aggravate the pros enough, and you will. I've been blackballed from council level because I pointed out problems and inconsistencies. But you need to be careful. One volunteer ticked off the powers that be so badly, he had his membership revoked. That really ticked off the volunteers in my district. When those folks left, the volunteers threw a party.

My first encounter with a British female Scout was in the US hiking with my troop as a youth. We thought she was a Girl Scout ( Girl Guide in the UK) because the only uniform item on was a neckerchief. Great conversation. I still got that neckerchief I traded my belt and all the Skill Awards for.

Hardest part of moving from a Cub Scout Leader to a Boy Scout adult is to "unlearn what you have learned." You have just spent the last 4.5 years doing training so that you can run Scouting programs, and now you are told to sit back, drink your coffee/tea/hot cocoa, and tell the boys "Have you asked your patrol leader" It's hard to do, even if you know better. When my oldest crossed over, I spent a year as a MC. One reason was that I was also a DL still. Another reason was that I needed to be deprogrammed out of Cub Scout leader mode. I remembered the worst part of getting new Scouts in the troop, their interfering parents, and promised to be like that. Being a MC gave a a chance to deprogram, learn the troop culture, and stay out of my son's way.

I collect neckers. I have some from all over the USA, as well as the UK and Canada. Last meeting as a TCDL, I was asked to come up with something about neckerchiefs and why they are used in Scouting. I had a few on hand to demonstrate the various uses. One of the other leaders commented that I need to wear the collection instead of the same one over and over. Great conversation starters. Had lots of tales regarding them.

My thoughts. #1 I've seen adults game the process. Worse case was the "Eagle" whose mom, dad, and grandpa so gamed the system that he got it on appeal from national. Him winning the appeal caused the entire district advancement committee to resign in protest. #2 Those parents pushing Eagle tend to not view anything else in Scouting as important. I had an 1:30+ long phone conversation with one mom about getting her son registered for the OA Ordeal that was coming up. After overcoming every single objection she had about the OA, she finally says, "He can't be distracted with anything else. He needs to earn his Eagle." On a personal note, I had a conversation with my aunt about my cousin who earned Eagle at 13 and quit, and her grandson. My cousin was pushed and pushed to get Eagle by my uncle and aunt. She was amazed at all the things they were doing, i.e. Philmont, Jamboree, and joining the OA. She point blank told me she wish the OA was around when my cousin was in Scouts. When I told her that OA was around since 1948 locally, she told me I was mistaken. When I told her the lodge's history, she said "it wasn't a big deal like it is today." We may be getting a few of these parents in the next few weeks. #3 if you have an active program, the Eagles will stay, even if the parents are no longer interested in Scouting. They may have challenges, i.e. school, extracuriculars, girls, jobs, etc, but they will contribute to the troop. #4 Sea Scouts, OA, and Venturing are great opportunities to continue folks involvement in Scouting. As an 18 YO Eagle, I looked first to Sea Scouts, then to the OA for challenges I was no longer getting from the troop. Yes I remained with the troop, and I worked my butt off. BUT I got new challenges from these two organizations, and have seen many young Eagles do the same. #5 My issue with young Eagles is the same I have with ANY Eagle: they cannot model the knowledge, skills, abilities and expectations that are expected from an Eagle. We are not perfect, not by a long shot. But Eagles have a heavy burden exemplifying Scouting's ideals. EDITED: Put the quote in because it shows if you give them high expectations, they will live up to them and be active.

Agree, and no it does last I checked. But the pamphlet also doesn't even mention "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt. Waite Phillips did a great thing giving Philmont to us. But not everyone goes there. Whereas every Scout and adult from 1929 until 1972, and then again from 1979 to 1989 had been affected by "Green Bar Bill" by reading his books, Boys' Life articles, and going through training he put together. IMHO Bill did a lot more than Phillips ever did.

I've seen a bunch of young Eagles over the years. Most quit Scouting shortly after getting Eagle. Some were pressured by parents to get Eagle, and once that was achieved they had no incentive to stay. Some get bored and drop. I've seen a few move on to Explorers/Venturing. And I know one young Eagle, who moved to Hawaii and join Sea Scouts. The Young eagles that remain have at least one thing going for them: either the OA or a very active, boy-led troop. Several young Eagles remained solely because of the OA. For whatever reason the troop was no longer providing the challenges they wanted, and the OA did. Active troops will develop programs that interest all ages. When the boys have a feeling of ownership and develop activities they want to do, they stay. Another thing that keeps young Eagles, as well as those of us who could have been young Eagles instead cardiac Eagles ) was the opportunities for HA and other advanced opportunities. I know I did a HA program at a local camp, Brownsea 22 ( NYLT today), jamboree, and a Canadian canoeing expedition. In my case, I was busting butt working fundraisers and having too much fun to focus on Eagle until near the end. Also I had a case of the fumes