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Correct. Heck we cannot align with ourselves. Look at some of the discussions on Facebook, or even here. BP even had a problem with BSA when he was alive. Too many professionals was one of his problems.

IMHO, because BSA was once the largest, wealthiest NSO, they would do whatever they want. For example, Prior to August 1, 1989, BSA members had to earn the World Crest. Between that fact, and the charter concept, lots of rules in BSA are not elsewhere. For example, alcohol is perfectly acceptable in many NSOs, but not here. And that rule came from one of the largest CO partners at the time, the Mormon Church.

BSA uses Charter organizations to support the program. They have a say in how the program works. Another reason is the heavy influence of the Young Men's Christian Association, aka YMCA, The Y, in the early years.

A few of the reasons why folks in my neck of the woods do not use them are 1) Council has a habit of losing paperwork, even hand-delivered paperwork, 2, they never received word if the fundraiser was approved or not, and 3) one SE did indeed demand 10%-15% of the profits for it to be approved. This is the same SE who yelled and cursed out district level volunteers, causing them to quit. As you can imagine, that did not go over well.

Wish I could help more.

All I can find is https://www.scouting.org/resources/disabilities-awareness/ and the email contact SpecialNeedsChair@scouting.org is the email to send Zoom may be your best bet for contact info. I just do not want to download the app/

Here is the deal @RichardB. A rule that supposedly has been a round for a few years, yet NO ONE , including councils, knew anything about except for you is being placed up on us for no reason whatsoever. In fact we pointed out instances in BSA's own literature that showed the rule is brand new. And the were taken down. We, the unit serving volunteers want to know why it is acceptable for a pack to camp two nights at a council event, but not on their own at a council approved location? We want an explanation as to why something that has been allowed for over 20 years is no longer allowed. As to the links you provide, they do not answer the question we all have: Why are packs limited to 1 night of camping on their own when this has never been a published rule, and was in no BSA literature previously? (emphasis added). As for my Dodgeball fixation , when will you change the FAQ to remove the lie " Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting" A Scout is Trustworthy. We both know it was indeed an approved activity since at least 1929 until the ban in 2018. Heck I even gave you the link on BSA's own website about Dodgeball being an approved game. Which you quickly removed. All you need to do is remove the sentence ," Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting" from the FAQs and I would be fine.

The only rationale for this arbitrary rule is that the folks making it are under the impression that 'Cubs don't need to camp." Yep heard this from a member of the council camping committee a while back. I know one pack will now start having two overnight experiences when they do pack camping. One overnight experience will be from 5PM Friday to 12:00 Saturday, and a second overnight experience from 12PM Saturday to 11AM Sunday. Families can choose which overnight experience they want to attend, or if they want to do two over night experiences in a month. .

Don't worry, I am still waiting for the FAQ on Dodgeball to be changed. Before they took it down off their website, I pointed out how Dodgeball, and several varients, were approved games by BSA, and gave them the link. They took down the link, but never changed the FAQ. Thankfully print copies showing they are lying about Dodgeball exist.

Actually if you look up Webelos Overnighter in the Language of Scouting webpage, they changed it last week to say" 1 night." Prior to that, it was "one or two nights." Welcome to 1984.

@5thGenTexan, WOW that is not a troop but Cub Scouts. I will give you an example of what I mean. Last year the troop did a whitewater rafting trip. We wanted to make sure everyone going was prepared, and worked on those knowledge and skills for 3 weeks. Those folks got the Whitewater Award, and some advancement done.

The prohibition has been around on and off since before i was a Cub Scout, I remember riding 3 hours round trip to visit a camporee, and upset because I could not stay over. I actually spent more time on the road. One way I have seen councils get around the prohibition is to have an all ages event where Cubs, Scouts, Sea Scouts, Explorers, and Venturers attend. In one council, it is mostly Cub Scout events, but has enough Scout+ events to attract troop, ship, post, and crew interest. Another council had their Cub Family Campout and Camporee the same weekend at the same location. There was a designated area for Cubs, Designated area for Scouts, and a common area where both were allowed. Now for a brief period of time circa 2012 to circa 2021, the prohibition on Webelos camping at camporee was NOT in effect, and I know at least one council pushed Webelos to attend camporees. I know when i was running camporee, we had one event specifically for Webelos, and they could do all of the events the Scouts did. Everyone on staff was on board with showing the Webelos how to do things they did not know, and letting htem try themselves. BEST. RECRUITING.TOOL. EVER! What I do not understand is if a council run event is safer than a unit organized one and can run 2 + nights, why would a camporee not be safe for overnight camping?

Troop I grew up in used the term "Stealth Advancement" basically having fun but learning at the same time. Best example was the ASM who let the Leadership Corps drive his boat IF they spent the time with him learning how to drive his boat. We did, had a blast, and at the COH about 1-2 months after the boating weekend, we received Motorboating MB. Everything he taught us met the requirements, and then some.

Folks, Has anyone ever heard that you are not covered by BSA's insurance if you do a fundraiser, and their is no Fundraising Application? I saw this comment on a FB post, and it sound funny. I was told that the purpose of the Fundraising application was to A. stay in United Way's good graces, i.e. not fundraise when they are and B. to avoid solicitating donations from companies that the council is going after.

I have read of only 1, stressing ONE, case that ever had the person reinstated. That person went to a bar, in uniform, to make a phone call because the troop bus broke down and the bar was the closest place with a phone. He was in and out of the bar within 20 minutes, and did not order any beverages. Someone saw him walking out of the bar in uniform and called his council on him. Took several months for him to be reinstated. Sadly I know someone who was thrown out of Scouting, had a criminal investigation into the alleged incident, and had charges dropped because the evidence showed her story to be correct. They found the peephole into the shower house and evidence of what the teen was doing. She was never reinstated.

the Service Project workbook and the application are the reasons why he said it. FYI I did not know this until recentlyu, but you can find out when eagle is approved and official in the SCOUTBOOK records. No more waiting for the certificate to come in. Sadly you cannot correct the entry once it is done. My youngest earned Eagle on one day, but they put the date in his records as a few days earlier. Tried to correct it, and was unable. At this point we don't care what date it is, he is an Eagle is all that matters.

From my youngest son, HORRIBLE PAPERWORK.

Here are two that meet criteria. 1. AWESOME FUN 2. WICKED ADVENTURES

The Scout can always download the Eagle Application and fill it out themselves if there are issues. Just have a paper copy of the info ready.

As COR, you are the final word. Only person who can overrule you is the Institutional Head. I've seen that happen only 1 time in 40 years. Forgot to add, be prepared to lose them. And if they are causing problems, it may be good thing.

I have had 1 unit call references. I had another unit do a criminal background check on me, in addition to checking references. Kinda nice having a LEO as SM. The other units did not do background checks as I was a known volunteer, and in fact helped train some Scouters prior to joining the units. Or I grew up in the unit.

Yes, the ITOLS cause can take some time to complete as that is a physical, weekend long class. In one council I was in, it was offered 2 times a year. Another council I was in, each district offered it once per year. And I would double check your records. None of my committee members are "trained," yet all of them have been to WB and have years of experience in various Scouting roles.

Yes, but why can a Webelos Den do 2 nights on their own, but the entire pack cannot? And why limit packs to one nite, unless it is council run?

I think folks are more concerned about A. allowing Scout activities to be open to parents which is something BSA has promoted, and B. financial situation of families. I am so glad my oldest is out and Middle ages out this year. But if these prices were around when all 5 of us in my family were involved, it would be over $400 just to register.