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The way the course was set up was the following. Courses 1 and 3 had the same controls, just coming from different directions. Courses 2 and 4 were the same way, but Hurricane Matthew destroyed a key component of the course, plus several control points. Course 2 was done on the fly the day of the event, but to my knowledge was not used Control Points, in addition to being in a certain order, also had false control points. The idea was to make sure the Scouts could accurately do a compass course without running down a trail to the first control point they saw. The though was if they went to the wrong control point and got lost, they could backtrack to the last accurate gate, and reshoot the bearing. Sadly folks quit.

If memory serves, it is up to the SM on who signs off. SM can be the sole signer, allow other adults to sign, allow youth to sign, or a combination. My troop only allows adults to sign off at the moment, especially with the performance at the camporee this weekend, As some of you know, there are two factions among the adults in my troop: pro youth-led and the youth have to prove they are readyto lead/adult led. All three patrols performed poorly at the camporee, which has reinforced the they aren't ready faction's position The two proponents of the they aren't ready faction had a chat while staffing the canoe orienteering, and have come up with a plan to get the S-T-2-1 skills up to speed. They have already talked to the new SM, and it looks like it will be implemented after the first of the year. The Scouts knew what was on the line before going into camporee.

I believe the '58 is brown covered, but don't quote me on it. My 196? fieldbook was green covered, if I remember correctly. I read it so much the cover came off . Oldest has used it, but cannot have it. I am however afraid to let the middle read it as I already know he's going to wood tools and fires

This topic is near and dear to my heart. When I was a just crossed over Scout, I wasn't in the troop a month yet, there was an incident at morning church services before school. Long story short, the deacon responding to the situation knew I was a Boy Scout, and expected me to be able to handle it. Thankfully a good bit of it was covered by Readyman Webelos Activity Badge, and I was able to handle it. But that was the first time an adult deferred to me. A few years later, as a 16 year old Life Scout, another incident happened during Sunday church services. You would think someone in the congregation would have had advanced medical training of some sort. Again, I got called in to render first aid until EMS showed up. Then I had to go with them. I am a firm believer that a Scout with first aid training, especially First Aid Merit Badge should, emphasizing SHOULD, be able to do handle a situation until EMS arrived. I know First Aid MB is not a credential. To a degree I wish it was. The absolute best first aid training I ever took, and I teach both standard and am now certified WFA instructor, was the First Aid MB class I took way back when. BEST.TRAINING. EVER. I remember a time when WFA was not required to do high adventure activities, because it was expected that a First Class Scout knew enough first aid to take care of any victims until help arrived. But I also know there is a lot of "one and done" out there. Saw it this weekend first hand. I was assisting with the first aid event, and a patrol of Star and Life Scouts could not remember how to do CPR. Excuse was they don't remember it because they took it their first year of summer camp. I agree that a Scout should defer to an adult with more knowledge, skills, and abilities. But I would have no problem with a Scout taking over if the adult responder is doing it incorrectly and jeopardizing the victim. I was at one accident where someone who supposedly had some type of advanced first aid/medical training was planning on moving a potential spinal injury victim at a car accident. My girlfriend and I both screamed "NO," and took over from them until a doc showed up at the scene.

I wouldn't ask for ID. #1 in my experience at the hospital A) not many carry their credentials with them, and B) when some airline did that, and rejected a medical resident because they didn't have credentials on them, they are now facing a discrimination lawsuit.

Only time I know about injuries and axes in my 31 years since earning Totin Chip was this weekend. One of my older Scouts broke his ribs from football. He's still bandaged up after a few weeks, but was feeling pretty well. Was supposed to see the doctor this week about being released so that he could play the rest of the season. He refractured them this weekend trying to chop wood with a three quarter axe.

At the PLC I had Saturday night, the compass course was a unanimous 'NO" for next year. Heck it was the butt of some jokes at campfire. True story about the "wet" portion of the compass course. We only did 2 bearings on the lake: one on the opposite side, and one on the deck where they started. Several patrols did not realize that their bearing to land was 180o from the bearing they shot to get to the control point. So the control point they started at was the control point they should have wrote down on the score card. Actually one idea we got for next year's compass course is using no compass. Yep have to use either the watch, shadow stick, or other method, and bearings will be limited to the 8 main points. BUT you got a point about zombies and water

String burning was one of the favorites. Everyone did it, and the fastest time, was 1 minute 42 seconds. That included a time bonus of -4 minutes caused they used a bow to start it. On the opposite end, worst patrol did it in 29 minutes and ??? seconds. They too used a bow and had some issues. We allowed 1 match as a freebee, additional matches cost time. Bonus time for non-match/lighter methods. Next year is going to get interesting. The theme for camporee is Emergency Prep/Wilderness survival. Since it will be Halloween Weekend again and hoping to get the funeral home to sponsor again, I'm thinking ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE. One of the ideas is each scout is to have a survival kit/ emergency prep kit/bugout bag, and they are only allowed to use stuff they can find or is in their bags for all of the events.

I tried to focus on T-2-1 skills. Had some traditional games, tomahawk throwing and Kim's Game for fun. And also did a bear bag event. Canoe Orienteering was a disaster. I admit I had it set up as a challenge with false control points, i.e. 2 points within 20' - 30'of each other; one point on the bearing BUT 200'+ from the correct control point etc. No one actually completed it as some patrols got lost after going to the wrong control point taking bearings. It appeared that they could not understand that they could go back to the last verifiable control point and reshoot the azimuth. That concerns me a little. Especially since BSA appears to be pushing GPS usage not only at the Boy Scout level, but the Cub Scout level. But what scared the heck out of me was one patrol and first aid. This was a venture patrol with Star and Life Scouts. One scenario used was based upon the 2010 jamboree electrocution incident. After killing off two of their guys, the finally figured out to kill the power. But then the patrol could not figure out what to do. While they attempted to treat the original victim, victims 2 and 3 were completely ignored. During the debriefing after they finished the scenario (they essentially gave up), the comment made by one Life Scout was, "I don't remember how to do this [CPR], I took First Aid my first year at camp." Apparently the rest of the folks in the patrol were in the same boat, except Victim 2. He had recently certified as a BSA / ARC Lifeguard, and had the certifications. Apparently he was the one assigned to do direct First Aid, but when he got electrocuted, it hit the fan.

Just had my camporee. With the exception of one event, Canoe Orienteering, it was an overall hit. Scouts liked the competition format. Although it was suggested, don't remember if it was a Scout or adult who commented, but whenthe topic of doing geocaching as an event came up, there was talk about getting instruction sessions instead of a competition so that everyone could actually do it. Another comment, more for next years, is possibly have a static display covering the theme (emergency preparedness/wilderness survival)

Yes, I was shocked. The excuse an ASM gave for his NSP was that we've been in a fire ban since they joined the troop. Yes we had a long period of fire bans, heck we secured special permission from the local FD to have the event IF the fire ban was in effect at the time of camporee (helps if a FD Lieutenant is running the event ) But most New Scouts I know go to that section and start learning form the book as soon as they get it. But the rest of the patrols? What's interesting was the patrol that got the fire going was the one that doesn't use stoves UNLESS there is a fire ban or they are backpacking. And the only stoves they have are backpacking ones. Unfortunately they went to Trails Life. Oldest wanted to join that troop first.

I hate to say it, I was at a camporee that only 1 patrol was able to start a fire. ONE. FREAKING. PATROL! One patrol, an NSP, had no clue on how to build a fire, and everything they needed to build one was there: saw, axe, tinder, kindling, fuel, matches. The event judges even showed them how to build one, and they still had a deer in the headlights look.

We've been sharing a DE for several years now. And this is our 2nd year doing a joint camporee, although "our" DE is not the DE for the other district as well.

Apparently this is a trend as I am seeing a bunch of councils doing this, and it looks like a form letter is being used to explain why councils are charging "resource fees," "Program Fees," what ever it is called. http://www.bsa-jackson.org/resources/annual-program-fees/64034 http://www.cnyscouts.org/

Connecticut Yankee Council is doing this, but calling it a council operations fee. https://www.ctyankee.org/resources/opsfee/opsfeefaq

Actually the DE's do not make the new exempt threshold of I believe $47,000-$48,000/ year. According to this website $36,000 is the DE's average. http://blog.myscoutstuff.org/2014/03/how-much-is-a-district-executive-worth/ According to this website, https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Boy-Scouts-of-America-Salaries-E7807.htm , DEs make anywhere from $37,665 (DE) to $45,488 as a Senior DE. When I was a DE, the salary was much lower, and someone estimated that we made about $1.50/hour, and that doesn't include those pros working summer camp.

1) That's my home council! 2) In the very near future, I believe December 1st, the minimum wage for salaried workers will be doubled. That will be an incredible burden on non-profits in general. Looks like this change in title will reflect that they are limited to 40 hours/week.

Just out of curiosity, when are you going to be at CRB? Scouts voted on going there this summer, and it looks as if we may be going the week of July 4th.

I was the only adult when my son's patrol met at my house for their patrol meeting. Also had an incident where one leader had an accident ont he way to the meeting, and another got called out minutes after arriving. Only the SM was attending the meeting.

Upon reflection, I was in an "activity uniform" of Scout t-shirt, belt and shorts. Socks and shoes were off due to sand. i will say this, the BSA's accident insurance we pay for was EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL. It helped tremendously.

When I was a chapter advisor with one lodge, there was a push to change the name from Ordeal to Fellowship. Rationale was that there were rumours galore about hazing and abuse about the OA and Ordeal weekends. And unfortunately some of those rumours may be true. My current lodge won't call them Workdays anytime soon. We have one scheduled non-Ordeal day at one of the camps to work each year, and like this year with Hurricane Matthew, we are having additional workdays to get the camps up and running.

Have to be in uniform for insurance to work. So glad that isn't true 'cause I'd hate to have the uniform on when I attempted the water rescue and became victim #2.

My Bad. One rough week OK3 weeks if you include Matthew.. My brain is fried. I meant Isobutane-propane. Also I know that there are alcohol stoves that are authorized if they are not hand made.One of our ASMs who is an ultralite backpacker was not happy he could not use any of his "cat food can" stoves he made, so he bought a Trangia alcohol stove. Funny thing is, he showed th DIY cans and they reminded me of the ones in tHE CUB SCOUT LEADER HOW TO BOOK. Some councils have banned white gas on their properties. My council has white gas as a prohibited item. Thankfully, the one time I took my white gas stove to a council event, it was on private property. Seriously, I didn't know about the council ban until I was reading the sumemr camp leaders' Guide.

A few years back, someone on the district level decided that the camporee should be an "advancoree." Only 2 troops liked the format, and both are heavily advancement oriented. What's interesting is that the troop that incorporates advancement in their program the most wanted a traditional competition camporee. (an aside, while they do not work on MBs at meetings, they are constantly having honest to goodness MB sessions almost every other weekend for those interested. The CO views Scouting as outreach ministry and have a cadre of adults whodonate a lot of their time and treasusure to the Scouts) And 1 troop boycotted teh event.

In the lodge I grew up in, ceremonies were strictly at night time. There was a light snack offered for dinner, enough for energy. Then eryone but the cook crew was required to attend the Ordeal Ceremony. Once it was over, new members were dismissed for dinner (fest), then Ordeal Members, then the Brotherhood candidates assembled at a location to prepare for their ceremony and everyone else stayed in the ceremony ring. Once the Brotherhood Ceremony was over, new Brotherhood members were dismissed, then everyone else. Current lodge does it differently. lodge leadership got the idea from a NOAC a few years back. They have tweaked the schedule, but essentially the ceremony is at Dusk.