Eagle94-A1

For anyone who thinks knots and lashings are not relevant Checkout then Lt.Col. Scarfoss's story. https://books.google.com/books?id=2fwDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=lashing+and+space+shuttle&source=bl&ots=hTUDBy3d8Q&sig=4L2kLw8hTQi2JXZTtgJoY7yMeCE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYk8nFsq7TAhWE6yYKHT5EAP0Q6AEITzAL#v=onepage&q=lashing%20and%20space%20shuttle&f=false

West Knots are restricted, like the Eagle, Silver/Summit, and QM knots. You gotta prove you earned it. Yes, VERY large bequest in the will. To be honest, I do not think many, if any of the Eagles that year realize they are West fellows. In fact I do not know if any of their names are listed on the plaque in the Scout office. Reason I know is A) it was briefly announced at the awards banquet and B) the boss made a very big deal of being #1 in the region for West Fellowships that year. Go figure.

FYI only Webelos Dens can camp on their own. Lion, Tiger, Wolf and Bear Dens can only camp as a pack or at district/council level family camp outs. Are you using the original June 2015 advancement requirements found in the books, or are you using the new December 2016 requirements found here http://www.scouting.org/Home/programupdates.aspx A others have stated,it shouldn't be one and done. GET THEM OUTSIDE! (emphasis)

I've seen a Cub Scout wear a James E. West knot. Yes, dad donated $1000 in his name. Also know of approx. 100 Eagles who would be eligible. Gentleman left a very large bequest in his will, and every single Eagle in the council that year was a West Fellow.

Don't get me started with training records! Back in the day, I was responsible for updating council records. 1/2 to 2/3s of the courses were not listed. Very few were considered 'trained" (aside, try telling a long time Scouter who served on PTC staff several years they are "untrained"). Long story short, told to use the updated courses and #s, but put the original dates. Worked for a while until older courses were added, Then had to start the entire process all over again. It could be worse though. Very briefly for a time, national stated that you had to have CURRENT (emphasis) training coursed to be considered trained. Thankfully enough people complained and they changed the policy back.

I am going to say it depends. It better be written into the plan and noted during the approval process. I say that because I saw one Eagle Project approved and executed with only 2 Scout's involved, the Life Scout and his First Class brother. Everyone else was in their church's youth group. His thoughts were, They were benefiting, they need need to be involved. In the same district, but with a different advancement chairman, another Eagle project using non-scout labor had some issues. the DAC didn't like the non-Scout invovlement. That and he viewed the project as benefiting dogs and not the community. But since it was written into the plan was approved by the previous DAC, he had no choice but to accept it, especially since the project came about flawlessly. The Eagle in question did a lot of prep work to the point of making cardboard models to see how the items being build would work. Irony about "benefiting a bunch of dogs and not the community" is this. When my camp had a lost camp situation, the group that the Eagle project was for came in to do search and rescue with their dogs. Anyway, advise the Life that he definately needs to discuss that with the district folks during the approval process so it doesn't cause problems later.

Mea Culpa. Long day at work.

My thoughts regarding the young man coincide with what the 9th Doctor said upon meeting Rose Taylor: "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!" Seriously though, if he is considering a professional career, he needs to get involved on the district level as a soon as possible, and even then it will not fully prepare him for the profession. Been there, done that. Only good things to come out of my time as a pro were A) meeting some great volunteers I am friends with, and B) meeting my wife. That being said, maintaining registration as a Venturer, UNIT (emphais) Scouter Reserve, or an ASM so that he can help when he is home is great. One of my Eagles did that while he was in college and while deployed the first time. Another option is the COLLEGE (emphasis) Scouter Reserve in the council his college will be in. College Scouter Reserve and MBC are the two district level positions that under 21 year olds can do. and CSR is more project oriented instead of unit oriented. If used right, he could get some expreince and make sure he wants to go the professional rou Mixed emotions on this. Unfortunately I have met some "Eagles" who cannot do basic T-2-1 skills because they "took that class at summer camp so long ago." Yes, a true quote from one at a first aid event using T-2-1 first aid skills at camporee back in October. And then there are those Eagles who worked summer camp, did Philmont, attended and staffed WB, etc and are "untrained" because they need IOLS. Yes a 3 beader was "untrained" because he needed IOLS. Same for the two Eagles who had been to Philmont, one of them twice. I got them all 'trained" by having them staff IOLS. I personally like the "challenge" option that was allowed at one time. Don't know if it is still since the revision. But we had several Eagles, and other experienced outdoorsman do the challenge with no problems. One of them, is a Life who served on my last IOLS course. Guy who took over as training chairman after me didn't want it to appear as favoritism or nepotism to have his son automatically be IOLS trained.

1) You need to let the Scouts figure this out. In my experience, when adults intervene they only make matters worse. And I've seen a 2 man "patrol" ( SPL and ASPL), and a 10 man patrol before ( two patrols merged for a competition). 2) One of the disadvantages of the New Scout Patrol concept. Ever since my troop was a guinea pig and tried the NSP before it became the recommended model, it has been a failure. Every troop I've been in went to traditional patrols. BUT THAT IS FOR THE PATROL LEADERS' COUNCIL TO DECIDE AND NOT THE ADULTS (caps for emphasis, not shouting) 3) It appears that you are a brand new, just crossed over from Cub Scouts adult. To quote Master Yoda, "you must unlearn what you have learned." You have just spent X number of years being a leader. It is hard to sit back and do nothing. BUT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO DO NOW! (again emphasis). And Trust me I know it's hard making the transition from Cub Scout leader to Scouter, and I knew better. Once my troop growing up got a feeder pack, I hated when we got new Scouts because their parents and leaders caused so much trouble until the SM or CC stepped in and got them out of our hair. 4) good luck.

I believe William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt said it best: "Train 'em. Trust 'em LET THEM LEAD!" I am a firm believer in "knowledge, skills, and abilities," and do not believe a Scout who turns 18 goes back to knowing nothing. When I was on the council training committee, I had Brownsea 22, today's NYLT, and it was WB for Scouts. I took "Train the Trainer" as part of the JLT staff development, but that was it. After going through BA22, and being an a true Scout-run troop, the only thing I learned new when I tool the old SM Fundamentals Training was the paperwork aspect of Scouting. Since all IOLS does is cover basic S-T-2-1 skills, any First Class Scout or higher should have the knowledge, skills and abilities to serve as an instructor. When I have used Scouts for IOLS, I have not been let down. When I worked with the program committee,again I used the training I had as a Scout to get the job done. One of the things that chapped my hide as an 18-23 year old Scouter working on the district and council levels ( specifically the OA) was that many thought I didn't know squat due to my age. I thought it was humorous when I was OA chapter adviser, and a SM told me "You don't know anything about the OA."

Just because they are " College Scouter Reserve" or a MBC does not mean they cannot do 'additional duties." When I was an 18-20 year old Scouter, I served on the OA chapter (district) and OA lodge (council) levels, I also did other jobs. As T2Eagle said, I staffed and was on the committee for district and council events. I also served on the council training team, specifically as SPL of the JLT course, today's NYLT. I have also used young ASMs and older Scouts to staff district training back in the day.

A couple of points. 1) Internet Advancement and SCOUTNET do not keep up with individual requirements. Otherwise a similar situation we encountered in my district would have been uncovered earlier. Long story short, one former troop ignored requirement changes until it got to Eagle. So Scouts used the requirements in their book regardless if they were current or not. Problem was not uncovered until the troop folded and some of their Scouts went to another troop. That troop's leaders followed the rules, and it was a complete shock to the Scouts and family who transferred in about requirement changes affecting them. And the family in question was involved with the folded troop for 20+ years. 2) If the council's records are screwed up, the handbook is the final, official record. If it is discovered that the wrong requirements were used, it could, stress COULD, cause issues later on. 3) Knowing national's policy of not penalizing Scouts for the actions of adults, the problem most likely cause a delay, but not outright denial. I know the Scout I mentioned in #1 above was given an extension of 30 days for Eagle because of the situation he was in ( all requirements except time were met. Time was not met b/c A) original troop folded and took 2 months to find a new troop, and B) new troop discovered the irregularity and fixed it, hoping he would win an appeal). FYI, the Eagle is still active with the troop, when he is home from college.

At least your council is doing what it is suppose to do. I not have seen a list of approved camps for Cub Scouts to use in the 8 years I've been involved with Cubs. Then again about 5-6 years back, we still had members of the council camping committee saying "Cubs don't need to camp." Regarding Tour permits, planners, whatever they are called, I'm wondering if international travel will need it still?

Coleman quality is not what it used to be. My wife got me a 6 man Coleman for the family as a Valentine's Day gift. It's OK, but it leaks like a sieve, even after multiple coats of waterproofing. Also it is a major pain to set up and take down. When we family camp now, we have used 2 tents. In the future 2 tents and a hammock. As others have mentioned 2-4 man tents are the way to go. Easier to set up. More uses besides car camping, and less problems at nite. One time we used an 8 man tent and had an entire patrol in it. No one slept that weekend as a result. That 8 man tent was only used once more, and by adults. Finally, someone made a comment about parts. That is a concern specially with Coleman. My troop has a bunch of 3 man Coleman Hooligan tents, and they no longer make replacement vestibule poles.

I'm going by memory and 3rd party story. We had one Eagle who did so poorly on his project, the beneficiary cancelled it mid project, hired a contractor to fix the problem, and no longer allows Boy Scouts to do projects on their property. I know this problem was in his book as part of the process, especially the mistakes he made, and what he learned from it. And he did another project to completion.

1) Beaglelover, you are not in a council in NC by any chance? We had 5 units with rechartering issues receive letters and emails with exact verbalize. 2) In some cases, the Scouts do not know that the unit's adults have not followed through with the charter. We had a case where a charter was lapsed, and a Scout went for his Eagle. The district did not penalize him by not allowing him to have his EBOR. But I know the completed paperwork was on hold until the issues was resolved.

Link provided is the one I used. For the guy who pulled me out of the water after my accident. It was downgraded to Certificate of Merit,.There is a time limit, so make sure you begin the process ASAP. Sounds silly but MAKE SURE THEY ARE REGISTERED PRIOR TO SUBMITTING! (emphasis) Long story short, one person the Cub Scout pack was going to submit was not registered as an ADL like she was suppose to have been. Good news is those involved don't care about recognition. Bad news is that because the one who jumped in and pulled the person out was not a registered leader, the other two leaders who took over CPR from her refused to have the paperwork submitted. Definately something to be proud of. And I bet it was a great reward for you to see your Scouts in action.

That's because until a little under 2 years ago, wearing a necker without the uniform was not allowed in the USA. 2007 WSJ celebrating the Centenary created World Neckerchief Day, where Scouts are suppose to wear their neckers. That created the push to make wearing neckers without the uniform an option. Again this has only been since June 1, 2015 at the earliest, not even 2 years. And it didn't get publicity until August 2015

Unfortunately, we have once again a discrepancy in BSA documents that is causing confusion. Some BSA literature say cabin and other indoor overnighters do not count as camping, i.e. Camping Merit Badge requirements and BSA's definition of camping. Then JTE says something. BUT looking at the JTE questions, the words "...for JTE purposes?" To me that means it would not count as camping for anything else The OA appears to use the Camping Merit Badge requirements for OA eligibility. From the Guide to Unit Elections which is a BSA publication "Q. Can a Scout use the same camping nights towards the requirements of Camping merit badge and for the OA camping requirement. A. Yes. While the Boy Scout advancement program often prohibits one action or event from counting towards two different requirements, camping nights can be counted towards both Boy Scout advancement and the OA camping requirement."

Indoor environments do not count as camping. http://www.scouting.org/Home/OutdoorProgram/Camping.aspx "Organized camping is a creative, educational experience in cooperative group living in the outdoors. It uses the natural surroundings to contribute significantly to physical, mental, spiritual, and social growth." (emphasis added.)

Some materials are irreplaceable in that the materials today do not hold a candle to the old stuff. When I did ITOLS a few years back, I handed out additional info from older materials. PM me if you want to get rid of it. I may have a home.

One troop I was in had a bar, but it was secured. You needed a key to open the roll up window, and the door to get behind the counter. Another troop had a bar, but they would put up a screen to limit access. A third I know about met in a different room than the bar.

Part of a DE's responsibilities is being the chapter staff advisor. That's why if a pro is not an Arrowman already, they are exempt from the camping requirement, and are automatically eligible. Grant you, most DEs are so busy that unless they are the lodge staff advisor, they do not do much with the OA. But they are a few exceptions. Going to an Ordeal and preparing the ceremony area in the mud and rain, as well as helping coach the team, broke the ice with the volunteers in my district back in the day. I know there have been some changes to the inductions process, i.e. SMs can get a waiver for the camping requirement, but as far as I know district and council level volunteers must have it still. My district only had one person who met the requirement, and he's going in a few weeks.

It could also be said that the person lied in order to get membership into the program. Thus it could eb said the applicant committed fraud.

"Campaign hat scream State and County law enforcement in today's world, they are the only ones left using them on a regular basis. except for the military. I would say they wear more often than any Scout or Scouter." Do not forget park rangers. I used to wear my smokey camping, but after getting confused with a park ranger for the second time, I wear the expedition hat on public lands.