Eagle94-A1

Like they will listen anyway.

Oh yes, even with all guys it can happen. When I and 2 other 18-20 year old Scouters caught the same "Scout" and a few of his friends breaking curfew at a major event, he tried to blame us for his actions. The three of us looked like we were going to be in serious trouble until the friends recanted the story and told the truth. I wish they would have done something to him, because this was before the situation I mentioned above. And a cloud hung over our heads for a few months. And while gender shouldn't make a difference, for whatever reason when girls accuse men, it is looked at a lot differently. It as if men are guilty until proven innocent, and even then, they are still called a "rapist." Just look what happened at the link below. Guy is exonerated and still called a rapist., http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cleared-mattress-girl-rapist-settles-suit-columbia-u-article-1.3327789

Unfortunately, on this side of the pond, if female youth are present, a female Scouter is required. So this policy is mandated by our national org. That is why there is a concern about not having enough female Scouters to do camping. And in all honesty I think it's good policy. Adults can be accused of things, and even if proven untrue, it destroys the individual's reputation. We had one extremely dedicated female Scouter get expelled from the organization, and her reputation ruined because a "Scout" lied. Long story short, she caught the "Scout" after curfew spying into the ladies' showers while she was in there. When confronted by the powers that be, to get out of trouble, he lied and said she made a proposition to him. She was kicked out, and a legal investigation occurred. She was exonerated, but her membership stayed revoked and her reputation still remained "questionable." And the need for female Scouters IS a concern, at least IMHO. With the exception of the summer camp crews/ ships, I have been affiliated with 1 Sea Scout Ship and and 3 crews. Ship had an active female Sea Scouter. 2 crews elected to be all-male. The crew that was coed had challenges finding a female over 21. When it was a husband and wife as adviser and associate advisor, no problem. Once they left, the crew was desperate for a female Scouter to go camping. They eventually folded as a result of not having enough female Scouters.

Considering CSE's extensive experience as an Exploring Exec, I think he was picked to implement coed Scouting. And after national not listening to the volunteers who took the Palm survey, I do not find national "trustworthy" at this time.

Problem I had with neoprene dive boots is that I felt every single rock, bottle, etc. I used those one summer, when kayaking in the English Channel with a wetsuit. They kept the feet warm and provided some ankle support, but I felt everything on the soles of my feet.

Stosh’s story reminds me of what some friends did when they went as well as what I did. Friends got a bunch of the sample sized (either .5 ounces or 1 ounce) Tabasco Sauce bottles. They then hot glued 1†safety pins to the bottles for instant hat pins. They were a “hot†commodity. When I went, I made a bunch of neckerchief slides using clothesline and Turk’s Head Knots. While not as hot as the Tabasco Sauce pins (pun intended again J ) I got some very good trades, especially with the Japanese who were attending.

Good for him. He needs to decide how much he wants to bring. Hopefully he pre-ordered a bunch of souvineers so he won't need a bunch of money. If he didn't order in advance, I'd have him look in the catalog, find what he wants, then bring a little extra.

As others have mentioned, the adults don't pick.

Agree, how much has he earned? When I went to jambo in 89, I used the money I made from cutting grass.

Considering how well National listened to those polled on Eagle Palms, I say the decision has been made already. Heck the writing has been on the wall for some time. August 1 2018 we will be coed. If I'm off, then it will be before then.

Maybe this will help clear up issues I've encountered, i.e. Crossed Over Webelos still being registered with the pack. Happened to Oldest Son and Middle Son.

Back in the 1980s, some research was done on why Scouts stay involved. One of the things the survey harped on was If a Scout gets First Class in the 12 Months, they tend to stay, Hence "OPERATION FIRST CLASS" as it was called in 1989. What the study didn't address was how active was the units these Scouts were in. I hate to say it, but IMHO "OPERATION FIRST CLASS" was one of the things that has led to the "One and Done" and "pencil whipping" that I see more and more of.

If my post caused it, I apologize. I admit I am venting . I participated in the 2014 poll on palms, and I feel ignored. I have a friend who spent a lot of time and treasure on the 411 committee, and I can only guess how he feels. I took only a few minutes on the survey. He spent 4+ years.

My current troop: January Lock in, mostly because we get new Scouts in December/January. Feburary Camp March campStaff the Webeloree April Council camporee Practice (required for points) May Council Camporee HA prep trip June Camp July Summer Camp August Camp September camp October District Camporee November Camp December Christmas party, if early enough and no conflicts camp

ROTHCO makes imitation surplus gear. I'm told some of it is good. BUT the Rothco jungleboots are worthless. ALTAMA makes the USGI version of the jungle boot. They are made to military specifications. While the jungle boots are not issue and Altama doesn't have a contract,they still make them. 28 years ago, the Altamas were $20 more than the Rothcos. And worth every penny. I had the Altamas 14 years, and lost them in a move. I did replace them. When middle son took Kayaking at summer camp, we were able to get a pair of Altama jungle boots for him. SWMBO found them in a thrift store.

I feel like they do too. They ignored the responses of the survey regarding Palms. And they ignored the 411 committee's recommendation, which took 4+ years of research and testing.

11 year olds in LDS troops cannot camp more than 3 times a year. With the january 1, 2016 to yesterday requirements, they could not earn First Class in a year.

One of the guys on the 411 committee on Facebook said it best. That committee spent 4+ years working on the requirements to improve them and make them more "outing." They used their own experiences and non-Boy Scout experts to create them. They had beta units testing for 2+ years. And they were told no changes to their recommendations would be made for 3 years after implementation to see how they really work. Somewhere I read 3 years is the true mark of success or failure since First year is implementation, and second year is tweaking implementation. Third year is true test. Thsi change is not tweaking.

I'm not familiar with either brand. I do know Northern Tier use to recommend jungle boots, and that was recommended to me for canoeing when I was up in Canada. Just do NOT get the ROTHCO jungle boots. Pay the extra money for ALTAMA boots. The first pair I had were Rothco, and the sole ripped off after a week when on a practice trip. The mud literally sucked the sole off. And that's one reason why I don't wear slip on type shoes and and tennis type shoes for canoeing. I've seen a bunch of shoes over the years come off and get lost in mud.

No. "Qualified Supervision" could be on shore. Boat Observer could be a "Lookout," could be someone any age. And anyone can get Safety Afloat certified.

Why I liked the more camping or why LDS units complained? I liked more camping for a variety of reasons. One is that IMHO the more they camp, the better they master the skills. Yes in my day only 2 camp outs were required to earn Camping Skill Award, and hence First Class. But the 2 months between Scout and Tenderfoot, Tenderfoot and Second Class, and Second Class and First, gave time for Scouts to master those outdoor skills. At least in the troops I've been involved with, that 5 to 6 camp outs and/or summer camp. As to why LDS units cannot have 11 year old First Class Scouts under the January 2016- today requirements, LDS units segregate their 11 year olds into a separate patrol and they are limited to a maximum of 3 camping nights.

Page 12 of the document here is the results Highlights: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/advancement_news/2015_Mar-April.pdf 1900+ respondents 69% say palms are important 80% say it strengthen participation 70% say Scouts look forward to it. 87% rated the Scout spirit requirement as “very important,†69 percent rated the leadership requirement similarly. Here are the kickers 85 percent disagreed with awarding Palms based solely on earning five merit badges. 81 percent rejected the idea of allowing additional active time at Life rank to count toward Eagle Palms. 75 percent rated the three months of tenure as “very important, and 19 percent rated it as “important.†(94%) 78 percent agreed that three months was the proper tenure, 80 percent agreed that activity outside the troop or patrol should be allowed in meeting the tenure requirement. (ASIDE: This is where OA, Camp staff, etc comes in) As to BORs here is the reasoning, but note there are no stats to support it. Finally, while respondents supported both the Scoutmaster conference and board of review requirements, many commented accepting one or the other would be adequate in awarding a Palm. Since Palms are not ranks, requiring both almost puts them in the same league.

I liked when they upped the number of campouts. But I know LDS units complained since none of their 11 year old Scouts can get First Class under the 2016 changes.

After we had one mom pick up her son when he snuck his phone and called her, we talk to the parents, give them our numbers, and then lock up the phones in a safe. problem has not happened again. Unfortunately that camp was about 30 minutes from her house. As for mail, wife and I sent a care package out on the Saturday before they left. Boys got it Wednesday.

Depending upon what the patch looks like, it may be a youth leadership patch, and you wouldn't wear it. If it is the one here: http://www.scoutstuff.org/bsa/uniforms-insignia/insignia-cloth/other/leave-no-trace-trainer-emblem.html#.WWO67oTyucw Then you are out of luck as it is the youth leader patch. Save it though as apparently they changed the name of the position. I think this may be the new POR patch http://www.scoutstuff.org/bsa/uniforms-insignia/insignia-cloth/required/emb-outdoor-ethics-guide.html#.WWO7coTyucw If it the black rectangular ones from here https://lnt.org/shop/product/patchthen it's a temporary patch.