Eagle94-A1

I have seen a Scout do a second project before. First project was so screwed up, that the benefiting org asked him and the rest of his troop to leave immediately with the project unfinished. Also Boy Scouts are no longer allowed to do projects for the org, despite 15+ years of working with them. He redid the project book and approval process for the second project. Don't quote me, but I thought I heard about a possible lawsuit against the BSA over the matter as the screw up WAS major, had potential legal liabilities, and almost shut down the benefiting org. Professional contractors had to come in a fix the problem. I would think that the EBOR gave him a written plan to correct what is needed. If a new project was part of that, then it is still only 1 BOR.

Theoretically troops are suppose to remain all male and all female. As I was told by several Scouters, having a CO charter 2 separate troops is not practical. Financially having 2 separate groups doesn't make sense. And since there will be a strong chance that volunteers will be working with boys will also work with the girls, it won't be possible to have busy volunteers deal with another set of meetings each week, another weekend of camping a month, and another week of summer camp. Just as packs and troops have ignored national with allowing girls to do things with no apparent repercussions, you will have "paper" girls troops who in reality will be integrated into their own patrols in existing troops. When I mentioned this at the town hall, everyone in the room acknowledged that this would happen, except the council president, commission, and Scout Exec. All three Ignored the statement and consensus. They, and the folks at national, know it will happen. Heck, in the CSE's 20 questions video, when asked about coed dens, spoke out of both ends of his mouth. First he said no, then he goes on about units he worked with with low numbers and how they combined dens and "as long as everyone works out of their own book, they're fine."

I know of only one. A troop folded and went to Trails Life. It took the Scout and his brothers 3 months to find another troop that met their needs. He was on a VERY tight schedule due to A) troop folding and trying to find another troop and B) some troop irregularities. Those were not found out until AFTER he transferred and was going for his Life BOR. Board had to reconvene so that he could complete 1 of the new requirements and he earned Life at 17y 7mos. Long story short, old troop A) added age requirements to the ranks and B) didn't update advancement requirements. Whatever the requirements were for Scout through Life in the book they bought when they joined the troop was the requirements they used. He asked for, and received a 30 day extension. An aside, I wish I would have known about that prior to his BOR. The requirement, use EDGE to teach one of a series of specific skills was met when my son visited the troop. Glad they folded before my son joined them. They were his #1 choice. (an aside, I wish I would have known about that prior

Well with the number of girls who have been "unofficial members" or troops over the years, I bet you that if they get lawyers like Ms. I has, they could argue that they earned eagle too. Sorry no exceptions

I disagree, you allow one exception you open yourself up to more and more allowances and exceptions. IMHO we are now allowing girls because some folks didn't want to follow the rules and wanted exceptions.

How can she earn MBs and rank in the BSA if she is not a boy Scout? Even female Sea Scouts, who need to do MB skills for some of their advancement, do not earn MBs, and they are members of the BSA.

Question. 1) Either youa re a member or you are not? 2) How can she earn the AOL if she was not a Cub Scout, but a "tagalong" 3)If she earned the Chief Scout Award, how can she not completed rank and MBs and not be recognized?

I KNOW scouts do better and learn more when they go at their own pace. I was pushed by both my uncle and cousin to get Eagle before high school, and was well on my way too. Like HT's son above, I got sidetracked by the adventure and fun of Scouting and earned Eagle at 18. I was active, did lots of things, but was having too much fun to focus on MBs as they became boring. My oldest is 14 and Life. I think I "pushed" him twice. Once was to honestly earn a MB he was given at an MBU, and the second time to do the one requirement for Cooking MB, meals not requiring refrigeration, and show the trek leader so he could get that MB. At the moment, all he needs is 6 Eagle required MBs, do a project, and 2 more months in a POR. Since school is #1 priority, and kicking him in the butt, he set a goal to do the MBs over the summer, and the project in 2019. He want to Eagle at 16. We have one guy who will have his EBOR Monday nite. He's 18, and it was the earliest the EBOR could do it. He squeaked by, but he did it. Part of his challenge was he was trying to get a new troop up and running. As you know that has been a challenge, and we are still facing it. But he did it on his own. From when I first met him, to today, he has grown tremendously. He's ready and deserving. On the opposite we have one Scout who is pressured to get Eagle. Cannot get his license until he earns Eagle. He is burnt out and is there. He's not having fun, and is going through the motions. Sad things is he has done a great job in the past, but dealing with adults has burnt him out. Especially this last batch that just came in. But the one I feel sorry for is the Life Scout who has 7 months before turning 18. He is being pushed, and pushed hard. He's going through the motions, and was the one that voted against himself for PL. I do not think he cares at all, except dad is pushing him. It's to the point that Dad has been "helping" with the Eagle project, making calls, etc. At the moment Dad is ticked off at the DAC because the DAC told him in two or three emails the son needs to contact him, not Dad. Dad refuses, citing safety and YP issues. Now the DAC is no longer responding to the emails from Dad.

I going the cheap route. Wife told me she would cremate me, put me in a knee sock, and bury me at camp. I said " YES PLEASE!" 2 pairs of socks are in the safety deposit box just for that purpose. BSA will do anything to make money. That's why they went after all the local mom and pop shops that did troop T-shirts and whatnot over the years. Funny think is, As late as 1998, they were allowing folks to use BSA designs and logos for free. I have a DVD somewhere of BSA images I got for free, including several versions of the Venturing logo.

Me neither. And I have seen it happen . The youth was given Eagle on appeal to national, and the entire district advancement committee resigned in protest.

I may have to go to New York after all now.

I admit I got mixed emotions on the paperwork. One one hand it is a good planning tool, far better than the one page form I had back in the day, can help conceptualize the project, and give you experience for later in life. Like filling out government grant applications for projects at work. On the other, some of the demands and expectations are ridiculous IMHO. And as others mentioned the amount of paperwork involved. I read one Eagle Workbook, the one our DAC uses as an example, and I bet the Scout spent easily 3-4 months putting it together.

In one case I know of, yes I would trust him with my son. I was in a unit that had a dad who did something really stupid 20 years prior when he was 18. He learned his lesson, and was a model citizen since. He was willing to do anything and everything to help out to make sure his son didn't do anything stupid like he did. When we got desperate for a leader and was asked, he was up front and honest about it. We told him to try anyway. He was rejected. While he can not register as a volunteer, no one can stop him form being around his son. Here's the crazy thing. Even though he cannot register as a volunteer, he has done YPT, and everything else needed to be "trained." Yes he has done SM specific and ITOLS, so that he has an understanding of Scouting, and keep his son on the right path. Yes, every situation is different. And I was skeptical when I first found out, but realized what he had accomplished since his mistake.

Don't know about the pocket rocket, but compared to my Whisperlite, the noise of my Trangia and Batchstovez 2.0FE is astounding. Instead of jets on afterburner, I actually hear birds, cats, and my hoodlums.

What if the parents are registered as Cub Scout leaders and the siblings are Cub Scouts? Yes, we had that happen. ASM brought his TDL wife and Tiger to camporee. When I brought it to the adults in the troop's attention that Cub Scouts, except Webelos checking out troop, were not allo wed to camp at camporee, I got so much pushback that the family was "family camping," and that the Tiger would not be an issue, I said the heck with it. DE brought this on by allowing a Cub event at the same time and location as camporee. I had bigger issues to deal with, especially since I had to redo a campwide orienteering course since locations where events were going to be had to be moved due to Cub Scouts. EDITED: If my sons didn't have friends in the troop and were trying to change it, I'd quit by now. The Family Camping garbage and all it entails is really chapping my hide.

As a former pro, I can concur with all of that. In fact I would not recommend the job to anyone. Before I became a pro, I asked a well respected Scouter if I could use him as a reference. He said, "sure, no problem. What's the job you're going for?" When I said to be a DE, his immediate response was " HELL NO! HAVE YOU LOST YOUR [expletive deleted] MIND? ARE YOU INSANE?" He then went on about all the stress DEs face, said he could not do that to me, and would not be a reference. Part of me wishes I would have listened. Worse job ever. Part of me is glad because the best thing out moving 1/2 way across the country for a crappy job was meeting my wife.

Good questions. The assumption is that because it is a 'family camp out" with each family responsible for themselves, they do not have to follow BSA rules. But I bet if an accident happens, things will hit the fan.

My troop does not allow consecutive terms for any elected PORs. Appointed are a different matter. But there is now a push by adults to change the rules so that you only get 1 term of office in a position. That's because the other adults say same the same people keep getting elected, and it's a popularity contest. My opinion is that the Scouts know best who will get the job done, and vote for those Scouts. One person upset has a son who, when he ran for PL voted for the other person. Another son ran for PL and was not elected. Due to extracurriculars, he has been to only 1 meeting since elections, and he was at the election only long enough to vote. And he will not be at meeting again until Feb. Me personally I say let them run until they get voted out, or no longer want the position. But I am in the minority of adults.

Seen it too. Irony is that the Council VP of Camping was complaining to me about Cub Family camping and how the families bring everything but the kitchen sink. This was while loading up his truck with all of his gear for a display promoting Boy Scout camping. I was the one promoting Cub Scout camping, and everything fit either in my backpack, or in my hands (trifold display). Grant you, my pack is 85-90L but it beats hi extended cab pickup. Although I admit, the family that brought their RV to Webeloree b/c mom was pregnant was the worse thing I saw.

AH that is why the whitewater trip is a "Family Trip:" each family is responsible for themselves. Another reason why I am not going. As a BSA Lifeguard, I'm going to be responsible regardless of what they call it. And yes, I mentioned SSD and SA, as well as G2SS rules to the adults when it first came up. And that is why I was told it's a "family campout.' And after the last canoeing weekend, which turned into a family camp out, I'm not dealing with it. Glad the canoeing weekend will be the same as the backpacking weekend for the older Scouts. As for siblings/children and dogs, kinda hard when the SM brings his daughter and dogs to the occasional camp out.

Don't know. I have no connection with one batch of Scouts, and I don't want any with them either. If we keep getting more like them, and their parents, I can see myself leaving.

One of the ASMs is pushing a family camp out to go whitewater rafting. Scouts suggested another major trip instead. both are being considered BY THE ADULTS (emphasis) as a possible family camp out. since 'we can only do one."Wife has said she does not want to camp with the troop. Even she is frustrated with Boy Scouts doing "Family Camping" as she is tired of the complaints from me and the boys. We may be doing our own trip instead. Only one who does not have a proper backpack is the youngest. He has a 30L daypack, which could at least carry his stuff.

It is very tempting. Part of me feel obligated to my Scouts to keep pushing though.

Yes. I didn't know anything about it until Monday, 3 weeks after the fact. Interesting thing was there were multiple signs my youngest posted saying do not touch.

Incident at Christmas party was brought to the SM's attention, and mine, Monday night. Scout was doing something he was not suppose to be doing. He says my son punched him in the back and told him to stop, while son says he slapped in on the back to get his attention and tell him to stop.