OldGreyEagle

My first car that I had to use was a 1963 Belair with a bent frame, you could only get in on the passenger side as the drivers door would only open if you were on a slight incline. That lasted a year before I got a 1961 Chevy II base model. It had been owned by Commonwealth Edison in Chicago so it was the puke beige color they had. No radio although I did manage to wire one in. The next car I had was probably my "first" car in that I wa really happy to have it. But that did take awhile to be happy. My father "bought" it for me. He told me he knew I was looking for a car to replace the 61 Chevy so he met a guy who had a very stylish car for sale and my father said I would buy it. Negotiated the price and everything. All I had to do was "pay" It was a 1959 Studebaker SilverHawk. It has gauges for oil pressure and water temperature, toggle switch for headlights a multi position reclining front seats and a hood that weighed more than the car it replaced. There was a reason Studebaker's were referred to South Bend Oil Burners Owned it a few years until one bright spring day I realized there was a fog following me everywhere I went. When I got to a gas station it was check the gas and fill the oil. Then I got my first real new car, a 1973 AMC Hornet Hatchback, but thats another story(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Sorry about the X-Men thing, I had to so , to the original post "When a boy turns 16 he dreams about his first car. A Chevelle SS with a high performance 460 c.i. engine with racing slicks on the jacked up back. Dad says, I had a Harley when I was your age, and mom is going nuts! When the dust settles the boy gets a used Volvo because it's the safest car on the road. When momma ain't happy, nobody's happy. And another step is taken to emasculate the boy struggling for manhood." Sounds like Dad is the emasculated one and if he allowed himself, thats on him. My first car was one I could afford to gas, insure, maintain and otherwise equip. If a 16 year old can afford the car you speak of, let him have it. And to the boy disdaineful of a used Volvo, its better than a Schwinn (not that there is anyhting wrong with a Schwinn mind you) "2) Man is not a home-body, he needs adventure. World conquerors, explorers, any one who ventures out into the unknown with a bit of trepidation and fear becomes excited about what's just around the corner! To a small boy, what's down the block beyond what he can see from his yard is a chance to explore and conquer. Heroic adventures are not HERE, but out THERE somewhere else. The natural tendency for males to to venture forth looking for the unknown, even if it is only unknown to him. It involves fear of the unknown and a chance to conquer that fear." So what we are saying is that its ok to have a family and leave them whilst you go off and wander? That since its in a man's nature to wander for adventure its ok to abandon those who depend on you in the name of adventure. In this case Travis Henry is a role model? The bullying thing is a whole nother deal, I stood up to a bully once, got a beat down for my troubles, all the while being told if I had just taken it, I would home, instead I was bloodied. And oh yeah, the bullying didnt stop

Let me tell you something,there is very little male about Mystique (AKA Raven Darkhlme)

It wasn't stopping the runaway horse that confused me, it was having a scout fast enough to catch the runaway horse that has me baffled Then there is the way to deal with a "mad" dog. Either kick it in the jaw or "find a stick" and kill it?

I think this whole thing is a stitch. I took the new curriculum in 2001. I was told by more than one beader how inadequate the new course was (no one had taken it as yet, so it's hard to understand why they "knew" it was inadequte) how I could never be a good scouter because I was taking the tainted course. Got to be a real concern, all the old school bead wearers telling me how lousy the course was going to be and how I should have taken the old course. After I took the course and got the beads I was told, to my face what a fraud it was that I was wearing the same beads they had earned with so much time and talent and skill. So, you might say I developed a real complex about "old wood badgers", I felt like I had to constantly apologize for not being a true scouter like they were just so I could sit with them. And now, this group is mad because their training is seen as inadequate. The irony is delicious BTW, I once in a fit of pique made a very profuse apolpogy to a poster on the forum that I had not taken the old Wood Badge course but that I had taken the one that was available when I was ready to take it. I was astounded to learn that to satisfy that person, I would have had to have taken the pre 1972 course to be a real scouter. That for me to have any hope of being an adequate scouter I would have had to taken Wood Badge the year I graduated high school. Its tough to learn your only chance of being a real scouter disappeared over 30 years ago So, if you want to take Wood Badge go and have a blast and serve the youth of the unit you serve, if you don't want to take Wood Badge, don't go and serve the youth of the unit you serve, In the end, its about serving youth and I thank all who serve, Beaded or Unbeaded

Well, actually there is nothing wrong with Bear Claw, its just that although I had hoped to "someday" look like him, I just didnt think it was last Saturday http://www.minsi-southmountain.com/pictures/2011_klondike/original/img_5566.html

what were the issues that caused the cancellation? Cold? Snow? Ice? WInd?

I think I live in a fairly cosmopolitan area, and I know over 5 kids who have rabbits as pets, they stay in the indoor cage Ok, so maybe its been awhile since I was anything close to a youth, but I remember the local hot girls wearing shorty rabbit fur coats, is that passe as well? Guess it is, explains another thing that happened during the Klondike. At the awards presentation, one of the adults came up and asked me if I knew the movie "Jeremiah Johnson" and he said I looked like I just stepped out of it. I was thrilled, I mean Robert Redford as Jerimiah Johnson was pretty much my vision of a mountain man. Then the guys keeps talking (never good) said I looked just like the charactor Chris "Bear Claw" Lapp in my outfit. I thanked him weakly and moved over to a corner to cry

SO this past weekend was the Districts Klondike Derby (Feb 19 2011) The theme was oddly enough, the Klondike Gold Rush. I was asked by the Committee running things to run a station as Pierre Aloyius DuMonde, the Voyageur turned Mountain Man charactor I do as an re-enactor. So, I was wearing my deekskin trousers, buckskin shirt, Capote and tuque. I have a rabbit fur covered possibles bag as the trousers have no pockets (period correct) and I havent gotten the knack for storiing things in my sash. two youth wanted to know what type of fur the bag was made of and when I said rabbit, they said they had never felt rabbit and wanted to know if they could touch it. What floored me was not that they asked, everyone was pretty well mannered, but that they had never touched rabbit fur was astounding. Just how cocooned are youth? I know I shouldnt be surprised by the lack of "Outdoor experiences" that todays youth enjoy, but to be excited to touch rabbit fur?, it is just troubling Good thing I didnt take my fox skin hat/cape

The Cradle of Liberty Scout Exec presumably cleared his talk with Mazucca beforehand. He did talk a lot about getting youth outdoors, the theme of the evening was said to be "No Child left inside", it does seem as if the BSA intends to be outdoors oriented for some time yet

Any chance this will be put on YouTube for those of us who missed it? I know Tom Harrington, he was Council Exec in the COuncil I serve before he went to COL. His son was in the Troop I serve and earned Eagle He went to Camp for 4 years as an Assistant Scoutmaster with the Troop. He knows the program from when he was an Eagle and now as his son went through the program Not many Council Executives can say that

Just a thought here, the LDS church is not the only Chaterting Organization that has units that "go off the Reservation" at times, it just has the status of being the largest Chartering Organizations

First of all, please do not think you are being piled on, although I could certainly see where you might think that. This group is not a bunch of good ol' boys just in scouting to wear knots, you can check out the knot discussions in the uniform threads, not fun. Something that struck me about your post was : "One of my scouts just received the "heroism award" on Scout Sunday" To get the heroism award, the Council has to approve it and send it on to National so in this case the Troop you serve did indeed get support from the Council. What type of support would you like to see?

Gee Gar, he "sounds"sincere to me.....

Gee Gar, he "sounds"sincere to me.....

Just to be clear, when we say "original Wood Badge" are we talking about the syllabus B-P used in the original course in Gilwell Park, or the Pre-1972 Course, the Post-1972, or the Course that 21CWB replaced. I may be off on how many Wood Badge curriculums there have been, but when one says "Old Wood Badge" one should specify what era one is referring. As Kudu is fond of telling us, Bill Harcourt was no fan of the Post 1972 Course, and neither is he

I thought the reason for Wood Badge for the 21rst Century was because the BSA knew it couldnt develop speciifc training for every scouting position so they went general so that the same vocabulary would be in use by everyone. We know what several poster's think of this notion, but I don't think it was as much as deciding that the Old Wood Badge was inadequate, it was because BSA wanted to change the focus of training. Unfortunately the change meant Wood Craft skills were sacrificed to make room for managerial skills. I know a lot of people talk about how the current Wood Badge gives them the same management skills they got in college, or at seminars and it's a waste. But I think of all the people who never went to college, to whom "Management" is at the very least suspect and the cause of most problems in their lives "management laid off 1,000 today" BSA should have kept WOod Badge as scout craft teaching and perhaps came up with the Seton award for Management, but they didnt. We still have plenty of volunteers who never went to college, who never get to go to Management Seminars and this is for them

Remember, you don't have to be talking about Advancement to do a Board of Review, if you have an scout acting unscoutlike, there is no problem in having a Board of Review and telling the scout that unless X, Y and Z occur, they will not be advancing. For amy rank. Of course, the X, Y and Z are part of the regular BSA requirments. If I had a scout refuse to teach something, there would be a pretty immediate discussion as to why they refused

Sorry to confuse you Beavah, I guess its just an occupational hazard. So, its not the BSA's definition of Active that allows someone to skate to Eagle, it take adult cooperation and lots of it. So, and this is the hard part, how do we stop the skating to Eagle? BadenP has one idea, no signing off of son's/relatives for merit badges, that might be one idea and a start. I didnt do any merit badges with my son. If the Eagle requirements need to be beefed up, how do we do that? Where do we start? I admit that I see nothing wrong in doing the "minimum requirements" for Eagle. I needed 120hours to graduate with my BS, I didnt do 132 just to be above average. It was 60 hours to MAster's DEgree. Have I done 70, my diploma would look the same. If the "minimum requirements are to minimum, how do we change it? Maybe, we should make sure everyone does the same work in the first place?

I am a little confused, given the BSA deffinition of Active, how does it contrubute to scouts skating to Eagle?

When the PLC plans a campout, what do they plan? We are going to the Camp and camp? Do they break it down from there? Recognizing that there is flexibility in the schedule, do they know what the campout will contain?

I am sorry if this sounds antagonistic, but that may be because it is if your PLC says no electronics on outings, I can see and understand that and respect it as the youth imposed the rule If its the adults that say no electronics on outings, then I don't understand it. Well, yes I do understand it, just don't be calling yourself a boy lead unit Alabama, (I feel compelled to add "21 votes for Underwood", and a shiny dime who identifies that reference) perhaps scouts in your troop don't feel real comfortable in talking to the guy who doesnt let them have cell phones or other electronics and would rather suffer wet sleeping bags and homesickeness that talk to the guy with OFS I am not saying you are that guy, but could you be percieived by the scouts that way? Have you told them you have 3 spare sleeping bags in case someones gets wet? Do they know you understand homesickness and will talk to them about it in supportive terms, and not derogatory? I am not saying you would, please, I am not accussing you of anything, I am trying to communicate perhaps the person the youth perceive is not nearly as nice as the person who is

My horse, does not now, nor has he ever done drugs High Horse, Indeed, The Nerve!

in Pat Benatar's "Love is a Battlefield" video she had way more effective shoulder action than Fergie had with her electronic light show that doubled as a top

Hey, I love Cyndi Lauper, when we got our GPS, both my wife and I said at the same time "her name ,of course, is Louise"