OldGreyEagle

So, a few years back atone of the ASMs was haranging an older scout over his style of dress. The scout had the top of his hair colored yellow (on brown hair, hugely oversized hockey jersey with extremely wide pants with the crotch about knee level. The scout had stoped by the meeting while on his way to a graduation party. So the ASM ran up side and down the other about how he looked, finally he looked at me and said what do you think? So I looked at the scout and said why do you dress like this? He replied, "the ladies like this style", I said so you dress like this to get girls? He said yes. Then I looked at the ASM said, hey, I'm with the kid (the scout beamed). Just as the ASM was mouthing a WHY? I said, hey, I wore a navy blue suede coat (still have it), elephant bells (the kind that entered the room a full 20 seconds before you did) and had shoes that featured live goldfish in the heels and I am gonna tell him he looks riduculous? The kid and I got along a lot better after that

Hey Bob, Thanks for helping that guy out, thats what scouting is all about, a big brotherhood working together to help each other and others

Dan, I think our exuberant pal ASM7 is as proud of his home town product as he is down on cotton, and I cant take to much issue with home town pride, welcome to the forum ASM7. I understand the benefits of polyester over cotton, better insulation, better drying time, etc. However: At our last Klondike Derby I realized that with my polypropolene union suit (look it up youngsters) BDU pants, Class A uniform shirt acrylic fleece vest and sweatshirt topped by a Gore-tex parka I was wearing more unnatural fabrics than I had at anytime since my disco days of bright yellow, Day-glo lime and deep blue 100% polyester leisure suits with a polyester shirt that was so thin I could wad it up in my closed fist and you couldnt see it ::Striking impressive disco dance pose, left arm fully extended with a single finger pointing up while right arm, also fully extended has a singer finger pointitng down, AKA "the Travolta":: Anyway, I appreciate polyester, I just wish Mrs OGE didnt have so many pictures of me with a perm while sporting lapels that rival the wing span of a 747 wearing platform shoes so high that FAA notification should have been required whenever they were taken out of my closet.

Until you get the book, I should opine that while it appears B-P was christian, he says nothing about christianity being the only religion. I will be interested in your or anyone's interrpretation of this chapter or this book for that matter

I knew i saw something on this, Check the book "Rovering to Success" writen by Baden-Powell published by Herbert Jenkins Limited In the Chapter named Rock Number Five, IRRELIGION B-P discusses the importance of religion to happiness. I found it intersting while B-P talks about Christians and Jesus, he also quotes the Koran and Marcus Aurelius two distinctly non-christian sources to support his argument religion is essential to happiness.

I was paging through my son's (!) issue of Boys Life and I saw a story of a troop that helped clean up a water way by removing trash from it. And true to form, all the scouts and leaders were in full class A's down to the neckerchief. A few pictures of scouts hauling garbage leads me to ask, what are the rules to be in Boys Life and isnt this a bit nuts? At least the article about white water shows the kids in PFD's and helmets although I suspect a class A is on underneath. Anybody know Boys Life policy on pictures?

Given the number of families I know that essentially "home church" their children, I wonder how that will work

One of our ASM's is an IT manager, he designed it with input from the PLC

Mom, I am so sorry this happened. I hope all involved recover.

What will happen to the money ?

Try the thread on the Wisconsin employees Littlebille

For your perusal Littlebillie

Go to your local Council office and talk to the Council Executive. Be ready to give his name, city, state, and then keep up with what happens.

Rooster, I am sorry for what I said, it was not scoutlike.

Rooster, I admire your faith, I just have had many more incidents in my life than I care to think about where self-professed Christians behaved in a distinctly Un-Christian manner to me and my family. I am talking about regular every sunday church goers who out and out lied and cheated and stole from me. As nothing could be proved "legally" nothing could be done. From this experience I had hands on learning that jsut because something is immoral, doesnt make it illegal and just because its legal doesnt make it moral. I guess I judge Christians on a harder scale because I see so much hypocrisy in every day behavior. On the other hand, I should not have exploded on you as I only know you through these posts, not by actual deed. Personally I pray that you be the Christian you apsire to be.

Yes, the muck takes committment to get off, and when you see a pack of boys emerge from the swamp, you do get a certain "Lord of the Flies" feeling

Cubs, You are right, I should have been more straightforward in my post. In my area saying you are "not exactly happy" means you are exceedingly upset with that person, mark it down as a misused Colloquialiam. Bigstrohl, I condemn your sexual behavior (This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

I will try to claify my position. To me hazing is any artificial obstacle placed in the way intended to tease or torment.(I am waiting for an example of appropriate teasing.) I understand wanting the scout to recognize the consequence of his actions. If he loses something he must learn to get along without it. If its found and he must walk through the other scouts to reclaim it, he may be embarrassed, but he lost it, reclaiming it is the normal consequence of his behavior. Now, if when he gets to the person holding the "found" object and that person holds it over the scouts head and makes him jump for it, thats wrong. If the scout holding the property tosses it to another scout to play "keep away" thats wrong. Scouts learn very quickly the consequence of their actions within the program. Goof around on campouts and miss advancement opportunities and your buddies are soon first class while you struggle with tenderfoot requirements. Loaf around summercamp and at Court of Honor time when tent mate Bob gets 6 merit badges because he worked and you get none you learn that actions or even inactions have consquences. Now, if on the last day of summercamp the loafing scout came to me and said he was upset because he just realized Bob got the last of 6 merit badges done and he had none and that meant Bob was getting 6 merit badges at the Sept COH and he would get none and his mother would be upset and what could he do. First I would ask him if he knew what the merit badge schedule was, he would have to say yes as its been posted, given to every scout, on our website etc. I would ask him if he had an opportunity to attend the merit badge classes, he again would have to say yes. I would ask him what he wanted me to do, and that I couldnt give him merit badges he didnt earn or intercede on his behalf to counselors when he didnt do the work. I would then tell him he would know better next year. Now, this experience may "upset" the scout, it may traumatize him for life, but it was a choice he made, no obstacles were artficially placed in his way. Actually adults in the camp would be encouraging the scout to go to classes. Hazing is when obstacles or additional requirements are placed in the way I have no problem teaching scouts that acions have consequences, I think that doing it in the context of the BSA program is the best method.

I am not pictured, I have been through the Muck hike twice, it wading thorugh mud that will some day, in a thousand years or so be a peat bog. I have done it twice and dont plan to go this year. You truly do have to throw away the clothes and shoes you wear, they just are past cleaning. But I will be at the showers with the clothes bags, we have 62 scouts signed up and 14 adults for the week. What I need is a killer chili recipe. I had assisted with cooking the chili in the 3 previous years before missing last year due to the nat'l Jamboree. We never won and the guys who took over for me last year did win. Then both moved from the area, how do I match that? HELP!!!!

Just to be sure it works

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BTW, bigstrohl You and I are on the same side when it comes to gays in Boy Scouts. However, I am not exactly happy you are proud to announce how promiscuous you are. I wouldnt want you to think a lack of response implied approval.

Yeah, thats right, I oughta put my real name on here. Then again I re-read the thread on Internet Stalking and figured I wouldn't do that. I guess whether or not you used to be Dedicated Dad or not isn't important. You oughta read the thread on hazing in the open discussion forum. I made a reference to Dedicated Dad and how much I missed him. So if you arent him, you certainly are an able replacement. If you arent Dedicated Dad, listen here, DD was as pasionate a person inhis beleifs as I have ever seen, the problem was his style got in the way of his message. I hope the same doesnt happen to you.

Gee Yaworksi, first you have "NJCubscouter blathered", and then insult New jersey, then you have me sucessively "whined" and "wimpered" and finally you insult Penn State. So your core tactic with those who disagree with you is to insult and belittle. You know, I havent seen such debating style since the good ol' days of Dedicated Dad. Wait a minute, theres an idea. Now, on scout's honor, did you used to be Dedicated Dad?

Please try this and see what you think http://clubhouse.wso.net/index.htm