OldGreyEagle

I actually dont know how old the troop is, I think something like 40 years or so, and again, I dont know how many Eagle scouts the troop has produced, I would guess less than 120, probably much less. The measure of a troop is not the number of Eagles it produces, its number of scouts who make first class in their first year, its how much fun the scouts have planning their program and making it happen, how much they learn about leadership and apply the three aims of scouting in their life. Chucklehead, I didnt mean to get in a spitting contest with you. I am glad you are proud of your troop. I was trying to point out, perhaps with decidely less tact then I should have, that it didnt sound like you are in a boy lead troop. Many troops feel its Eagle rate is validaiton for the manner in which it operates. Thats not the BSA way, but that doesnt mean Troops cant operate however they wish. I hope you have a great time in scouting

You don't think spats could make a come back? I think they have, only in todays world, a pair of spats has evolved into a pair of "gaiters" both were designed for the same task, only gaiters are funcitonal and spats are decorative.

"we Dont follow the Patrol Method, because Frankly its dumb." Gee, And Lord Baden-Powell set so much stock by the patrol method, I guess thats because he was just some big doofus. Its probably just as well you dont wear "class A's" everywhere (actually there is no such thing as a Class A in Boy Scouts) because then people would think your a Boy Scout troop, and we wouldnt want to confuse them.

Chucklehead, have you been to your District/Council Junior Leader Training Conference or has any of your troop? Is your Scoutmaster trained or any of your Committee? I would venture to say no. When correctly done, a Boy Scout Troop is boy lead, this means its up to the Senior Patrol Leader and his Patrol Leader's Council (PLC) to plan campout and enlist the help of adults when necessary. Who prepares the menu's for your campouts? It should be the patrols. Who plans your meetings? It should be you. Yes, you have to make sure things get done, but its things you and the PLC came up with, not the Committee. The adults are supposed to support, not run the program. Now, if I have misunderstood you, I apologize upfront, but if you are required to do the Scoutmasters and COmmittee's bidding then say so, and I have faith this forum will help you to get things done the BSA way

Ah the sounds of spats, not unlike the sound of wearing corduroys, (anyone remember that?)

Frankj, I agree with you, leadership is expected of scouts who are first class and higher. The BSA requires this leadership as well, four months between First Class and Star and then six months between Star and Life and then six months between Life and Eagle. Leadership in specific posiitons of responsibility. Those are requirements of advancement

Gee, I didnt know the boss of the SPL was the Scoutmaster, when did that change occur?

What was the point? What were your hope?

As most of you know, I do think this is an Offensive Skit, and I am a very strong opponent to hazing in any form. However, to have a Cubmaster and Den Leader resign over the reaction of an unknowing "victim" seems to be a little over the top. I would have thought banning the skit from the pack would be enough to appease the most distraught individual. So now the pack is short a Den Leader and Cubmaster, is the Damp Adult going to step up and show how a Pack is supposed to be run? I have to say, as much as I dont like the skit, this is way too much.

Once a scout makes Life, its not exactly a Hop, Skip and a Jump to Eagle. He has to earn 12 merit badges, serve 6 months in a position of responsibility and satisfactory complete an Eagle Leadership Service Project. I am not sure how a scout would do this unless he was active. If a Scout makes Life, and gets all merit badges done, his 6 months in his posiiton of responsibility and completes his project and does all this in about 6-7 months he qualifies for Eagle. Now, you award him his Eagle and he is never seen again after the COH. Now, some other scout also does all of the above except he doesnt have one elective merit badge. he drops out of sight for a few years and then when he is 17 yrs and 10months old he wants to know if he can do the Basketry Merit Badge and make Eagle. Whats the difference between this guy and the Eagle that flew the coop? Dont add requirements, just be sure all are met

Just a thought, how could a scout become Life and then make Eagle without participating in the troop and going on events?

"If Crews can choose their own uniform. Could they pick the official Girl Scout Uniform for their Crew and wear B.S.A. insignia and rank badges on them? Could you imagine an Eagle Court of Honor with that uniform on a 14-17 year old male youth Crew member" Now that would be outside the box!!!

did anybody call those six and invite them to join the "home troop"?

Maybe you could challenge your troop to write some new skits that are acceptable and funny, you know it can be done. There is a commerical running around here on the cable staitons, its VHS tapes of the old Red Skelton show, now he could keep you laughing for hours and never did "blue" comedy (that I remember) Here a bit our kids came with last year: Hey, how did you get your shirt so dirty? Well, it got Staind in a Puddle of Mud running with that guy from Three Doors Down through Linkin Park. It was feeding time at the zoo and we didnt want to miss the Gorrillaz. But its ok, I can tie a taut line hitch or some other Slipknot and make a Mudvayne now that this shirt is ruined. Well, gotta run, the trading post is open and I want to get a candy bar for 70 cents, I have 3 quarters so I know I will get a Nickelback, then I have to hustle over to the E-Con Area, they are combining Space Exploration with the Environmental Sciences merit badge and I have to observe an Alien Ant Farm for 2 hours a day for 5 days Believe me this is killer stuff, and not off color

Ed would know, follow his advice

How handicapped accesible is the camp? I beleive the ADA covers this (as Ed points out) and your Council cant just "refuse". Is there a college near by with students learning sign language that could be used as volunteers ? High School students who know sign language that need service hours? Do you know any Woodbadger who needs a good diversity ticket item? Arranging for a sign language interpreter at the council's summercamp whenever its needed would be a good item. (or so I think)

I agree with Eamonn, this is an offensive skit. But, heck, thats just my opinion. Actually, just a few ounces of water is rather bland, I think the skit needs to be punched up a bit. Maybe as the water is flung a few unwrapped tootsie rolls could be dropped as well with an accompanying whopee cushion salute, If outdoors perhaps chocalate syrup mixed with marshmellows would be fun to drop as well, and as the critter goes off "stage" apple sauce with green food dye could come out of its nose. Oh jocularity, jocularity, body noise and function humor, can it get any better?

I have to echo an earlier Bob White comment, this guy is a CM of an 100 member cub pack and dosnt have any female leaders? Thats the largest LDS pack I have ever seen if so. Can that be true? And even if it is, with 100 cubs, you dont think there arent a few Dad's (or mom's, talk about poetic justice)that would take over? If he is this much a Neanderthal at Roundtable, what must he be like at pack meetings? Whatever is done, I dont see a 100 member pack fold just because one person isnt around.

Our Crew went with the Green shirt and "wheat" colored "khakis" ( is that redundant? I know black Khakis is an oxymoron, yet I hear people ask for them)based on the concept they wanted a more uniform look than blue jeans, but also it happened we all had wheat dockers (or equivalent) Not to say blue jeans are wrong, its all what the crew decides

Well, well, well, DS, I feel your pain, how do you manage people when you dont control them? I wish I had an answer, as well as every president since George Washington wishes he knew how to control those wacky legislators. Its my take you are not as concerned about the Camp problems as much as the perception this guy got to vent his spleen on the dangers of a matriarchal society at a scouting function and if you do nothing, it will appear you (the District) agree and/or support the views expressed. You cant remove him, but such a display needs to be answered. Here is a thought, and you can use the fact you werent there to your benefit. At the next roundtable, at the end, almost as an aside before closing, you can say you heard at the previous roundtable there had been critizism of the camp. You can go on to explain as you have here the process you went through of how complaints were handled. Then, if possible have the two camp directors there and you stand with them and say something along the lines of how much respect you have for these leaders. how much you appreciate their skills and abilities, and if anyone has any problems about the camp, these leaders are the people to talk to, or to you and that you know with such talent on your team, any problem can be fixed. If the two camp people cant be there, do the same speech. At no time mention she, her, the ladies, etc. Speak in terms of leaders, adults, competent, etc. You have two goals here, to let the Cubmaster know you stand behind your leaders, and to let the other members of the roundtable know you are sticking up for your leaders, not because they are female, but because they are good.

"You must bring back the same number of boys you took to camp, no more, no less." We have no problem doing the above... now, they may not be the same boys, just the same number, who knows, a parent may get to trade up?

I drive a 1993 Toyota Tercel 2 door. Often at campouts I lose it in the rows of vans, minivans, Excursions, suburbans, Navigators, etc. Its always had room for what I wanted to haul. (then again, I am a simple man) Once while comming home from an event I told my son maybe I needed a 4 wheel drive vehicle. He asked why since my little car has seen more off the road action than any SUV on our street. It may be small, but it always has zip lock bags full of lint for a fire starter, various ropes for knots or lashings, and enough food to sustain 2 adults and a small boy for 3 days as long as they didnt mind eating remnants of old french fries, curly fries, onion rings, hamburger bun crusts, etc.(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

WOW K9Goldscout, thank you The really bizarre thing is last spring when our Crew held its first Court of Honor, I wanted to recognize two female members who made every outing and did as much or more as our male members. I came up with the Sacajawea Award, A dollar coin on a leather thong surrounded by wood beads. Given in honor of Sacajawea, who, even though the men wouldnt ask for directions, guided them anyway. The Lewis and Clark theme works for me Sacajawea

Nice to see the Scout Law and Oath means so much to some people

OK, the answer is yes, but I have to ask. What does the term Crakerbarrel mean to you in 500 words or less? At a Venture meeting I used the term and found several adults who said they never heard the term before. Now they could have just be pulling my chain, but I wanna make find out how generic or parochial this term is (BTW the adults purported to be scouters)