OldGreyEagle

neicie, dont take it personal, I have commented before that these threads are not unlike Forrest Gumps feather and you never know where it will go. We had a boarding Seminary, went there on sunday, came home on friday. Started with 34 and 12 graduated, High School. Two of our class actually became and are priests. I left after junior year, Vatican II had taken away most of the reasons I had to be a priest and I also witnessed an event that showed me I could never be a priest. During the summer of my junior year A very popular priest was transferred from our parish to another on the other side of the diocese, far far far away with one day notice, on saturday he was told be there monday morning. I thought, boy I would hate for that to happen to me, to have someone always telling me where to live , oh my God what am I doing? That night I told my parents I wasnt going back. I spent one year at the local Public High School and graduated. Wanna talk about cultural shock? From classes in ties and coats to girls with halter tops? anyway, private message me and we can talk

Hey, Alright Mark I was a high school seminarian as well. And let me tell the rest of you if you think the drop out rate is huge in Boy Scouts when the "fumes" take over, you have never seen attrition until you see atrition in a Catholic High School Seminary, but I digress Went to St Charles Borromeo Seminary in Lockport, Il. It doesnt exist anymore. It was a diocessian seminary. It was located rather close to then Lewis College and not to far from Stateville. In fact, at the very beginning of the "Blues Brothers" while they are doing the fly over, the corner of the propery can be seen for about a milisecond

Let me echo Marty-Doyle's comment on the solemnity of ground zero, as we got closer and closer to the site, and you couldnt get very close when we last went, it got quieter and quieter. Looking down the street to the site, the deafening silence reminded me of being at The Wall, on the mall in DC. And I hope this reverence continues. I live in Bethlehem, PA, 1 hour 20 minutes to the Holland Tunnel. Last time I was at the Elysian Fields the sign was still there, but it would be more fun to see if the scouts can figure it out. And of course it was New Yorkers who came across the river for recreation, even back then Manhattan lacked for open space. Now, just when was it the Knickerbockers decided to drop one sport they could play, to take up another sport that they cant?(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Thank you Mark, us mackeral snapin' papists have to stick together, dont we? You explained what I was tryign to say to Rooster. A totally devout Baptist or Methodist, or whatever, taught the precepts of their faith since youth has as much a shot as salvation as a catholic.(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Sure, give me the one I know, I need the one that talks about the camp staff, I saw it once in a collection of skits, and now I cant find it. SOmeting about the Dining Hall steward saying dont complain about the food, after all they have been cooking food here for 50 years, the reply, well tell them the vegetables are done! Help me!

Our Venture Crew has an annual event called the Urban Adventure, yes, we spend the day in NYC. What has worked well in the past few years is driving to and parking in Hoboken. And if you are gonna be this close, you have to be able to say I was in Hoboken. Maybe you can swing by and visit "The Elysian Field" city park and ask the kids what important event occured there. Parking in Hoboken you can take the ferry over to lower Manhattan, as you go across the Hudson, you get a view of Ground Zero and are dropped off very close to it. FRom there you can walk to the New York Public Library, the kids want pictures taken by the lions ( remember Ghostbusters?) One surpise was the kids choice to go to the New York Museum of Art. I thought the male maembers would go crazy, but when they discovered the weapons and armor displays, the afternoon was set. The ladies loved the costumes display, the boys the military stuff and early American architecture section, they have whole rooms set up, and all loved the Eygptian section. I just loved that on monday when the kids were asked what they did over the weekend the answer was "we took a ferry from Hoboken to NYC, walked past Ground Zero, took a bus to the Art Museum, walked through Central Park, saw the New York Public Library and took the subway under the river back to Hoboken, what did you do? One note, see if you can find a guide, some one local to you who knows the city. One of the crew dads works in the city and I know we wouldnt do near as much without his guidance(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

btps, none of the discussions on the gay issue go anywhere, but that hasnt stopped us before, and I doubt it will now

At what point did we Spiral out of control?

Rooster, for the many months, even years that we have posted together I have come to respect your opinions as well thought out and for the most part rational. I do take exception though with your thought that most catholics consider non-catholics as damned. Considers this paragraph: This is a quote explaining the ROman Catholics view on Non-Catholics. "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation." this is taken from: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/39/story_3960_1.html In the very least, here is one Roman Catholic who doesnt think all non-catholics are damned. And FOG, of course every member of a faith should believe they are a member of the better faith. But that member should also realize what is better for them, may not be better for their neighbor. A srict Hindu, observing every rite and tradition and law for 20 or more years might have a very hard time converting to Chritianity just because someone shows them a bible and says follow this book to salvation. I dont think the Hindu is damned at all. We all look at the world from our singular unique perspective born out of the sum total of our personal experiences. We all must follow society's rules (laws), but our religious beliefs are up to us (Is this a great country or what?), we are free to beleive what we "know" to be true, and should respect the beliefs of others as they "know" their truths with an intensity that matches our own

Crewgirl, where are you located? It may be time for Venturing to start its own honor service organizaiton and let the boys go play by themselves I have a few female crew members who have talked about the OA as well. I think we could start something ourselves.

here is an idea, what about having Boy Life magazine run a 6 month contest soliciting drawings and sketches from boy scouts on what they would want their uniform to look like. Then, they take six months and put together a focus group of scouts who whittle the entries down to 5 and then run those five designs and sketches and even make prototype uniforms and put them in Boys Life and have the boys select the one they would like to wear. All non-binding, but it would be fun to see what the boys would like to wear if given the choice. This boy lead thing could catch on...

Thats right, thank you Bob, Scouting is a "game with a purpose" spoken by the founder himself. And yet no phrases about scouting being about teaching and learning. Bob, what did Lord Baden-Powell say about boys and their peers ?

Hey you forum guys, help me out here, who was it that said scouting was supposed to be: "fun with a purpose" I dont remember anybody saying scouting was all about teaching and learning, least nobody who has been published...

For information about Akelaland contact: Eric Allred, Director of Support Services Minsi Trails Council, Boy Scouts of America P. O. Box 20624 Lehigh Valley, PA 18002-0624 610-465-85xx eallred@minsitrails.com I couldnt find any directions on the frames, maybe the above can help

::waking up:: Huh, what?

The only current way a female may become an AO member is to be at least 21 and be selected by a Boy Scout troop. Yet, oddly enough males members of the OA can wear a lodge flap on their venture uniform, while not being able to have an election in their crew(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Barry, I love your enthusiasm for the scouting program, I wish you were in my troop, I need help to keep myself on the "Boy Run Troop" track at times and you show a lot of common sense in your posts. BUT and you had to know that was comming. As Bob White has pointed out, there are Venture Patrols and there are Venturing Crews. A Venturing Crew is a BSA unit sepatate entirely of Boy Scouts. A Crew may be all male, all female or Coed. A Crew member must be 14 years old and out of 8th grade A Venture Patrol is composed of experienced scouts within a Boy Scout Troop. I have no idea why BSA started the concept of Venture Patrols and them very quickly after started the Venturing program. It has led to a lot of confusion. Addiong to the mix is the terminology of BSA. If you go to Philmont, Sea Base or Boundry Waters, your group is called a crew no matter what program you are in. I can see Troops adopting this vocabulary, and calling groups going on high adventure trips crews just like they do at Philmont, Boundary waters, etc. So, for claity sake, a Venture Patrol is part of a Boy Scout Troop, a Venturing Crew is an independent unit separate from a troop and a Trek Crew can be just about anybody on the Trekand I cant see how to make it any more confusing, obviously BSA didnt either I know this is all semantics and while I would not ever want to make an anti-semantical remark, why couldnt they have called the Venturing Program The Exploring Program... Wait that wouldnt work either what about Voyageurs, like they do in Canada. (This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Plastics...

Embroidery? Packsaddle, dont be crewel...

"Liberal religious activists" is that the new definitive definition of an oxymoron or what?

If I may, I could expand this to include Boy Scout Camp Staff. I say no to tipping them individually, but each year the Camp we go to has a Chilli Contest on Thursday night, (Cook staff night off. For the past several years our troop has gathered donations from the adults in our troop camp to get a gift certificate to the local Pizza place and give that to the staff on thursday afternoon. You could call it a group tip, or a token of our appreciation. As far as the troop knows we are the only ones who do this, thoughts?

"I'm left handed, so what wrong with lines that form to the left?" Thats easy, its not right

Does anyone pay attention to me? Do I not have a voice (Jan Brady, the First Brady Movie) How many times do I have to say it, not Sewing, Tailoring Much better job prospects

To paraphrase the late great Senator Everett Dirksen You know, you start talking a 100 thousand here and a couple a 100 thousand there and pertty soon you are talking serious money...(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

And yes, I know, I started it neicie, forgive me (This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)