OldGreyEagle

OK Ed, you meant the PC wording, not actually allowing gays, sorry, with all the rush of the moment, I was confused Exhilaro Natalis Natalis Jesu

Actually, I didnt think the BSA had any PC Council's, don't all have to follow no Avowed Homosexuals? Which ones don't? Just asking,

on another thread Commandopro said: "... We in the BSA are facing a crisis of epic proportions. It is not widely talked about outside of professional circles, but there is a huge storm cloud on the horizon." We have offered many opinions on how to improve the Programs, what I want to know is how many people think we are "facing a crisis of epic proporitons" or not and why do you feel the way you do ?

"OGE said, "The Scout FOG mentions is most likley not from a Troop with artificial attendance barriers." Actually, he is. The troop requires attendance at 50% of troop meetings, 50% of outings to be considered active. " Well, there are days when I just know I shoulda stood in bed

Gotta love Lacrosse, not many games around where you get to swing a stick above your shoulders in a crowd... Possibly, and this is just meant as food for thought, but perhaps scouting is doing this to itself. How many people have posted here have said they have attendance requirements and dont care that they are doing so against BSA policy. Perhaps if these Troops were a little more flexible the scouts wouldnt be making a choice, but doing both. The Scout FOG mentions is most likley not from a Troop with artificial attendance barriers. Now, just because I said Troops should be flexible, I in no way wish to have anyone think that changing requirements for the "busy" scout is in any form acceptable. I am not saying that. Requirements are met when they are met, Position of Responsiility must be successfully/adequately served. I am saying if a "busy" scout wants to stay in the troop, I say work with them. I posted in the "Whats your Troop got" thread we have 86 scouts and about 50-55 are active, its not the same 50 -55 it changes with the seasons

Have used the Eureka Exo with good success Eureka Backcountry as well and the Kelty Trail Dome 2 All under 5 pounds

You say it's your birthday They say it's your birthday We're gonna have a good time I'm glad it's your birthday Happy birthday to you Yes we're going to a party party Yes we're going to a party party Yes we're going to a party party. I would like you to dance (Birthday) Take a cha-cha-cha-chance (Birthday) I would like you to dance (Birthday) Dance I would like you to dance (Birthday) Take a cha-cha-cha-chance (Birthday) I would like you to dance (Birthday) Dance You say it's your birthday They say it's your birthday We're gonna have a good time I'm glad it's your birthday Happy birthday to you

Actually, you can't have to much help from Mom, after all Peepin' through the knot-hole Of Grandpa's wooden leg Who'll wind the clock When I am gone? Go get the ax There's a flea in Lizzie's ear And a boy's best friend is his mother. I fell from a window, A second story window Why do they build the shore So near the ocean? Who cut the sleeves out of Dear old daddy's vest? And dug up Fido's bones to build the sewer? A horsey stood around with his Feet upon the ground Oh, who will wind the clock When I am gone? Go get the ax There's a fly on Lizzie's ear And a boy's best friend is his mother.

How many boys registered? 86 How many boys active? 50-55 How many Patrols? 8 Does your troop go to summer camp in or out of Council? Same in Council Camp for over 10 years Does your troop go to Dist/Council Camporees? Yes, always Does your troop support FOS? Yes, the Disrict Chair this year is an ASM from our troop Does your troop sell Popcorn? If not, what are your fundraisers? We sell Popcorn and also do one Coke Trailer weekend out in front of the Wal-mart once a year Does your troop use NSP, FCFY method? We do the full new scout patrol with 2 Troop Guides per patrol , ASM committed to the program Does your troop have a Venture Patrol? No Venture Patrol but we have the Venture Crew charterd by the the same CO Does your troop have a feeder pack? No, we have scouts from over 6 school systems How does your troop recruit non-Cub Scouts? We don't actively recruit non Cub Scouts, I guess this is our bad, I have no excuse Has your troop seen your Unit Commissioner in the past 6 months? Yes, they'd better, its me Is your Unit Commissioner helpful or a pain? That is a leading question, I decline to answe that on the grounds it may tend to incriminate me Does your troop leaders attend Roundtable? We usually have 3-5 at any one roundtable How many members are on your troop committee? 20 commitee membes//24 ASM's Is your troop boy led? yes Website Address :http://www.troop362.com/

FOG, did he pass the BOR and what action, if any is planned?

I noticed the same thing with language when I joined the troop my son is in. After a few campouts I started correcting the scouts language with anything from "thats not very scout like" to "you kiss your mother with that mouth?". It was slow, and not all the adults were consistent. But I did establish that you didnt use "bad" language around Mr GreyEagle or you were apt to be corrected. Then I started to issue a challenge before every outing, I challenged the scouts that they could use any word that they had heard me say. I know this is taking a chance, and you need to have your own discipline. But then when I heard a coarse word, I would say, have you ever heard me say that? And they would have to admit they hadnt. I told them to listen to the words I use, and I use a lot. The language has improved, or at least to my ears it has, they may swear like "sailors" OOps sorry Gags, but at least they censor themselves around the adults so I know they are learning whats acceptable and what isnt. In my experience saying "boys will be boys" only leads to worse situations.

This hasnt been a very good year for lots of "Charitable Organizations". I understadn the economy has all the look of picking up, but it has been down for awhile and one of the first cuts people make are donations. That could have something to do with the money. As far as Cub Scouts go, I don't know alot about the program, but I do know they have an issue with training. You can train to be a Tiger Leader and then the next year you have to train to be a Wolf/Bear Leader and then in a few years you have to train to be a Webelos Leader, or so I think it is, tell me where I am wrong. Then there is outdoor skill training for Webelos leaders as well. If I a wrong in my sequencing I aplologize but I do know the Cub Scout program expects it's leaders to be training quite often, and I think this demand on time could be a partial reason. By the time the leader gets comfortable with a set of rules, its time to retrain. This is an observation communicated to me from a "Cub Expert" Then, how many Cubs never meet a Boy Scout, I have mentioned before in our district roundtable keeps mentioning 3 of 4 cub scouts never meet a Boy Scout. Can we improve that number? THen there is the oft mentioned stigma about Boy Scouts and the perception that middle school boys have about them. What is being done at the local image to rehabilitate it? I know, at least response will be a national ad campaign is needed but as I have mentioned before a grass root effort is needed. I dont see how advertising a great program nationalaly wil improve Scouting if at the local level the troops are rarely boy run, the meetings are a shambles and not many are having fun. The need to sell ourselves as a great program has never been greater as Eamonn points out. Now, do we want to live in the ascendency of a great program or its decline, its up to us, not naitonal, not the region, etc. just us. Provide a great program, and they will come(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Stress that there are no adult leaders, only adult advisors There are no ranks to work on, although there are recognitions to earn The schedule is determined by the youth I am sure I can do better when I feel better, under the weather right now

So does that make you homophonophobic FOG?

Actually in my experience its the boys who learn teamwork through sports while girls have individual sports and dont learn teamwork, it may depend on where you are

Oh FOG, not McDonalds, for old guys like us we should be on the Sturgen reccommended diet of Milk toast and pablum... Anyway, Sturgen is trying to justify the Sturgen Methods of Scouting by the amount of Eagles the troop has produced while in this section of the forum is a story of the possible demise of a real troop who likes to boast about Eagles produced but will most likely fold anyways. I had a great ending worked out but Acco40 did it better than I would so this thread is history, anybody wanna change it to any other topic? Oh, this hasnt been done yet Hey Sturgen, if you dislike Boy Scouts so much, start your own group, the Sturgen Scouts, you dont need "troops", you can have "schools", you can enter as a guppy and reach your highest rank, Shark at whatever age you set. You could even claim the title toughest bad bass in the organization. Oh I have to stop, this is to easy, like shooting fish in a barrel(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Try this, Can anyone give me a situation when the end, the product, the results, justifies the means, the way it got done, what was done to make it so and while the goals were accomplished, the Scout oath and law were always followed?

Just wanted to know when the Ends justifies the Means, and the Oath and Law are still followed?

Look, more gibberish from Sturgen(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

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hey, thats a good price and while I dont know about that brand, REI is a fairly reputable dealer, one of the best I think with usually quality stuff Barry, I apologize, I meant no harm... But if you ever get to some real winter camping getting down for the night is best you can do Now, Bug juice? How Plebian, how Gauche, how mean, Oh they call it that old mountain dew And them that refuse it are few I'll hush up my mug If you'll fill up my jug With that good old mountain dew.

So, everybody, get down tonight...

"-- My birthday -- thunder, lighting, stuck in the dining hall for three hours, camp locked down (why so great? My surprise birthday visitor)" And she wonders why I chose to connect her with "Heavy Metal Thunder"

Dave, Hang in there, I had a job change forced on me similar to the situation you are in, short term it sucked, long term it was the best thing that could have happened. If there is anything the forum can do, just ask, I know we will support you in any way we can

You guys can all blame Mike F for this one, his post on the V8 of scouting was the inspiration for this Get your motor runnin' (We have the engine analogy down, lets drive the 8 methods as far as we can) Head out on the highway (the highway of Life, and remember its the trip, not that destination that makes us who we are) Lookin' for adventure (At Philmont, Sea Base, Boundary Waters, Summer Camp, and all points in between) And whatever comes our way (We have the Oath and Law to see us through) Yeah Darlin' go make it happen (The Scouting Programs need committed adults, or rather, those who should be committed, to make it work) Take the world in a love embrace (We love everybody, we dont teach hate) Fire all of your guns at once (never hold anything back, give every endeavor your best shot) And explode into space (Did you see how high that rocket went, its way cool, I love Space Ex, are their other merit badges where you get to do neat stuff?) I like smoke and lightning (Ever been to an AO Campfire?) Heavy metal thunder (Ever been to Summer Camp with Outdoor Thinker (AKA The Princess of Precipitation)?) Racin' with the wind (these sailboats are really neat, they go so fast !) And the feelin' that I'm under (A 20 mile hike will do that) Yeah Darlin' go make it happen (I know honey, but the kids planned this trip and I am needed for 2 deep leadership, the grass will be there when I get home, and the trash, the dirty garage, the hallway painting project) Take the world in a love embrace (We love everybody, we dont teach hate) Fire all of your guns at once (never hold anything back, give every endeavor your best shot) And explode into space (First we get to make rockets, and then learn how to use a canoe, get to carry a knife and use an axe, make our own rope, and build a bridge while electing our own leaders? How cool is that?) Like a true nature's child (We always follow Leave No Trace, Mother Nature doesnt like a trashed out forest) We were born, born to be wild (We build character, We have ideals and Goals, We wear uniforms that some laugh at and we dont care, thats as wild as you can get) We can climb so high (We dont hold back, every one gets to go as far as they can) I never wanna die ( I'm gonna scout forever, Baby, remember my nameoops thats another thread) Born to be wild Born to be wild