OldGreyEagle

At the greatest camp in all the land, Camp Minsi, on the shores of old Stillwater, with its azure blue... We have frigid froggie, the sawn swim, which I take is the same as the Polar Bear Swim. The troop has a traditio of attending all week, though we will start with 30 or so on monday and get down to 10-13 on Friday. The waterfront staff is there, scouts use their buddy tags, how could it be wrong? (he asked rhetorically) Some of the kids learned if you get to the early morning swim, you get to the showers early and there will be hot water, not somehting that can be said later in the day. Sonme of my best memories are watching the sun rise as the fog rolls off the lake with the canoes from the wilderness outpost roll in as we jump in the lake, ah memories...

"How many boys are actively enrolled and participating in Scouting?" So, how do you define active? BTW I took a proper name out of the above post, we all get to say what we think, but please don't include proper names, if need be there is enough informatoin to ID a person.

Most people are just happy I didnt mention BARE NAKED LADIES

Happy Birthday to You Happy Birthday to You Happy Birthday Dear BP HAppy Birthday to You And Olave too

As for a skit, this is a start, alter it to fir your troop Scout 1: Hey Walter (or other name), how are you doing? Scout 2: Fine, You know I really like the outdoors, but I miss being in touch with music Scout 1: Yeah, I know what you mean, but the guys in my troop try to find things related to music all around us Scout 2: How do you do that? Scout 1: Well, its like at the trading post, whatever the total I always give them 5 cents more than the total so I can get a NICKELBACK Scout 2: Whoa NELLY, thats pretty good ! Scout 1: And if your in a hurry Whats that? Scout 2: Oh easy, RUSH, Scout 1: Hey you kids in the front row, quit talking and behave like scouts Scout 2: Yeah, do we have to call for an USHER to throw you out? Scout 1: Can you believe the menu? BLACK EYED PEAS three days in a row Scout 2: Yeah, thats not right, thats stupid, its outrageous, its LUDICRIS! Did you see those dumplings they made? They looked more like a LIMP BIZKIT than anything else Scout 1: By the way, what happened to your shirt? Its awful dirty, did you get in a mud fight? Scout 2: Oh,no it got STAIND in a PUDDLE OF MUD while I as running through LINKIN PARK it was feeding time at the zoo and I wanted to see the GORRILLAZ eat Scout 1: I am not sure about my scoutmaster Scout 2: Hows That Scout 1: I got a bug in my eye and it hurt, he said I should just flush it out with my own tears Scout 2: You mean he wanted you to cry? Scout 1: No, not cry, but open and close my eyes real fast Scout 2: Oh I see, he wanted you to BLINK 182 times a minutes Scout 1: What do you call your neighbor next to the guy two houses from you, Scout 2: Thats, easy, he is THREE DOORS DOWN Scout 3: Hey what are you guys talking about? Scout 2: Walter here is telling me how to keep music in mind by using musical group names in general conversation Scout 3: Oh no, not U-2 !!!

And a "tureen dinner" is?

Beav, I has remembered all the posts on Chicago, and I unfortunately assumed (so sue me) that jhkny was from the CAC. I admit I am wrong. Maybe P.S. is right and we should respect his right to rant.

Wait a minute here, I thought that jkhny was in Chicago and was upset that the CAC was selling Ossawippe against the wishes of the volunteers and it was the SE of Chicago that was the villain. Now reading this post, his home council is in New York. jkhny, where do you live and which councils are you tlaking about?

I would make it a new Scout patrol with a troop guide. This is the reccommended BSA approach which may help/hurt the idea dependingg on the nature of your Committee. How old a troop are you and what has your retention been like in the past?

Ok, this is how I understand it, and maybe I am wrong. BSA has establsihed they will not tolerate avowed gay leaders. The youth itself is supposed to be "asexual", they arent straight, they arent gay, they are youth. What does that mean? When I was sixteen I knew I was heterosexual, I liked looking at the odd Playboy magazine. I did know that Boy Scouts was not the place to be looking at Playboy Magazines. I would have a huge issue if a 16 year old male crew member would be gregariously telling of his sexual exploits with his girlfriend. Off color double entendre's and ribald references have no place in scouting straight or gay. You tell the youth the ground rules when they join and the yearly Youth protection meeting. He may turn out to be a great asset, he may not, but its up to him. What would be worse, to have a youth tell you he was talking about having sex with a girl or a boy? Both are totally inappropriate

Ok, once again, if Haliburton was OK enough to have Clinton award a non-competitve too, why is it wrong for Bush? Simple question, why no furor when Clinton did it?

But the real quesiton is what other company besides Haliburotn would have been able to handle such a contract? We dont do anything because the Veep has ties, real or imagained to the best option going? Is that the point, lets not go with the best because of appearances? I mean if they were good enough for Clinton, then well they should be good enough for Bush

I seem to remember the Clinton administration giving more than a few contracts to Haliburton for Bosnia, they are no bid contracts as well and no one commented much other than to say that Haliburotn was the only choice, is there a competitor to Haliburotn now?

I love the first amendment

Yes to all three and maybe a few more, it was becomming president without winning a national election that I was thinking of. I rember the rumors propagated by the conspiracy theorists of the time. That JFK's brain was alive and being kept on a Greek Isle owned by Aristotle Onassis and since the both the president and vice president had been appointed, national elections were a thing of the past and Fords successer would become King. Oh, and the Black helicopters were massing in Wyoming

Had an old crusty college Econ professor who said the quickest way to a tax revolt would be to require everyone to be paid their gross in cash and then go and pay all deductions in cash. This to with holding, to Fica, etc. Could wake us up a bit...

Ah, the end of the 60's and the early 70's, and some would have you beleive we have a leadership crisis now. Richard Nixon is elected president in 1972 with Spiro Agnew as his Vice-president. Agnew resigns due to a scandal in his home state of Maryland in 1973. Nixon appoints Gerald Ford as Vice President. Then in 1974 Nixon resigns the presidency and Ford becomes President. Ford is now a president without a Veep and he appoints Nelson Rockerfeller to be Vice President. Rockerfeller had a quiet, mostly tenure as vice president, although he did cause a stir when he saluted an angry crowd with the infamous rigid digit.

Ok trev, let me see if I can help Agnew = fulfilled his promise as Veep Johnson = the very embodiment of the saying " some men are born great, some men acheive geatness and others have greatness thrust upon them " PS: wasnt Ford a Veep in there as well ? And what trivia quesiton is his name the answer to ?

Way back when I was a scout, after Brownsea Island but before the demise of the red berets (sigh) the neckerchief I wore was a perfect sling and when tied right, made a great brace for a sprained ankle. Now, I realize different parts of me have grown since then, but My ankles havent and I remember watching an ASM demonstrate the ankle wrap on himself. Cant do that now. I would like a bigger neclerchief. Perhaps cashing in on the "retro" look popular in design, you know, the PT cruiser, Chevy's HHR etc perhaps the uniform could be redone with a look back to the past. How about a return of the old 4 pocket tunic and the breeches? All done in tech cloth of course. Another alternative would be a simple metal badge, not a tiny thing, but good sized, like the kind Marshall Dillon wore (you old guys explain that to the younger guys)identifying your rank. That way it would fit on anything that is worn. I realize that uniform is a method of scouting, but I also have learned over the time I have watched this forum that uniforming has got to be the one that is the most abused and least understood method and may be a detriment in recruiting. At some point maybe you adopt a change? Anyway, for the 100th anniversary of BSA, why not a retro uniform, back to the roots in at least one way and the alternative of the pin for outdoor use?

I love the term "peppered" as in he got "peppered" or I "peppered" him pretty good. Or the story of the ranch owner that she had been "peppered" herself, an euphemism for being shot. Call a spade a spade. This is how I learned to hunt upland game, such as rabbits, pheasant, quail, etc. The shooters walk in a line all equal with each other. If someone lags behind, you wait for him. If someone gets a bird and goes to pick it up, guns are pointed up and away from the party. The guy should not have left the group to pick up a bird and the group should not have gone on without him. While walking and a bird flushes you have about a 80 degree firing range. You never point your gun lateral or behind where you are standing. If the game comes at you, then you attempt a shot or let it go, I would like to know how other people were taught to hunt. As bad as this is, why would is it grounds for resignation? It may have been one of the most thoughtless things a president/vice presient has done, but not worth resigning over, it was an accident, even if a momentously stupid one.

Eamonn, while relying on new reports is shaky at best, every story about the accident describes so many errors in judgement by the whole of the hunting party that this shouldnt be a problem. In fact, the description of the accident could be a scenario to ask what would you have done different.

let me see, I'm a kid getting bullied by a lout. he is cursing at me and saying he will shoot me. Then within an hour he is pointing what I perceive to be a pistol at me, am I not pertrified? I looked up Airsoft pellet guns on the net, they look really neat, and realistic. So you have an off duty Sheriff's deputy at the place the bullying going on, maybe you are at a state park, a city park or the church that sponsors your troop. The deputy always carries his revolver and isnt part of the troop, all he sees is a pistol pointed at a youth. The cop pulls his pistol and yells freeze, the kid turns, sees the cop, thinks its all fun and points the pellet gun at the cop, what happens next? Its dark, no one can see well, what then? This is serious, much would have to be discussed begore the scout comes back

This whole thing about Virtual Patrols at Klondike, and perhaps Distircts forcing Troops to form them has been sort of an epiphany to me. As I have followed this thread and the one that spawned it, I had a thought in the back of my head, and it was dreading what Kudu might say about allowing the District to regiment outings to the point of doing away with the patrol method, then I thought, but he would be right. Keep them in Patrols, if there are only two, then the two go, and BTW, have events that would attract scouts. If you have the same fire building to burn the string each time, or knot "kims game" or whatever it is, you can expect poor attedance, make the kids WANT to come.

Actually the way I understood it, a new scout patrol, (NSP)is "supposed" to have a troop guide assigned to it, a Troop Guide who is to shepard the new patrol through the process of becomming a patrol, he is the "godfather" though never the leader of the patrol. Each of the patrol members takes turns being the Patrol Leader for a Month and then the new patrol elects a PL. The older guys are never candidates. Now, if instead of patrols grouped by age, some troops have standing patrols and replace attrition in the patrol by new scouts, in that set up, the older boys are role models and its natural for the younger boys to look up to the guys who have been there awhile. Either way, if your troop has a hard time finding motivated PLs, its time to look at the program and how its being delievered.

Good Going GB, I hope your first place finishing patrols didnt celebrate too much as they may be mistaken as godless humanists