OldGreyEagle

Gee anarchist, I don't see why you are so concerned about a lack of sense of direction in 10-11 year olds, I thought you wanted to toughen them up, make them men and nothing will sharpen up a sense of direction quite like being lost for a few hours or so. Being so concerned about their health and safety make me wonder if you are "sensitive" ?

Sorry, Lying while under oath qualifies as a loser to me, lying to congress because you know you are right is just frosting When people become valued based on the cash they can generate then its time to disband the program as its aims are superfluous

Of all the things I know about the regulars here is that we represent a tremoundous amount of belief diversity. Had I not spent the time I have on this forum, I would assume that the forum should reflect about a 80-90% Christian membership, but it looks like its more like 50% Christian. Which makes me wonder, who are the people who think the BSA is a christian organization? Is this a real issue? Or is not an issue on the local level and is more of one on a regional or national level?

Not bad for a guy with no sense of humor huh? Well, did anyone get the thespianistic quote reference I opened with? "And do you know what I say? Ha ha! Do you hear me? Ha ha ha!"

You are correct Lisabob, I checked the dateline to see if ol' Fred has missed a date and this was from last year. Appears Ollie has become a one trick pony. The best part I remember from the coverage of his speech last year on the forum was that nearly everyone decried North and pretty much the consensus was he is a loser and not likley to the poster child of the BSA anytime soon

The troop of my youth had a 16x16 army surplus tent and two 16ft diameter "canadian bells". Most times we all slept in the 16x16, sometimes the oldest patrol in one of the belles. There was no problem as our Scoutmaster said "when the lights goes out, the mouth goes shut" and there was no issue with noise

this one is topical, and I have to warn you if not changed from this version to a more up to date version during your week of camp, a lot could be lost: Scout 1: Hey Walter how are you doing? Scout 2: Fine, You know I really like Summer Camp, but I miss being in touch with music Scout 1: Yeah, I know what you mean, but the guys in my troop try to find things related to music all around us Scout 2: How do you do that? Scout 1: Well, its like at the trading post, whatever the total I always give them 5 cents more than the total so I can get a NICKELBACK, Scout 2: Whoa NELLY, I think I get it, like what do you call the glow of the campfire coals? Scout 1 What ? Scout 2 EVANESCENCE Scout 1: Can you believe the menu? RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS three days in a row Scout 2: Yeah, thats not right, thats stupid, its outrageous, its LUDICRIS! Scout 1: I really like the Camp Director this year, he is a really nice guy Scout 2: Yeah, I know what you mean, You could say he is a PRINCE among men Scout 1: Hey, I just got a letter from home, my mom judges show dogs as a hobby Scout 2: She does? Thats neat, what breed of Dog ? Scout 1: Yeah, her specialty is the Spaniel breed, you know like Cocker Spaniel, Springer Spaniel, Irish water Spaniel, those kinds of dogs There was quite an stir at the National Spaniel Show last month my mom says Scout 2: What happened? Scout 1: Well, the headline in Spaniels Monthly says it all, BRITNEY SPEARS Number one rank Scout 1: By the way, what happened to your shirt? Its awful dirty, did you get in a mud fight? Scout 2: Oh,no it got STAIND in a PUDDLE OF MUD while I as running through LINKIN PARK it was feeding time at the zoo and I wanted to see the GORRILLAZ eat Scout 1: I guess the Staff/Leader Soccer game got a little out of hand last night Scout 2: Yeah, I hear the staff called themselves THE ALL AMERICAN REJECTS Scout 1: Thats better than the Staff Basketball Team, FIVE FOR FIGHTING Scout 3: Hey what are you guys talking about? Scout 2: He is telling me how to keep music in mind by using musical group names in general conversation Scout 3: Oh no, not U-2 !!! (turns to the audience) Heres one we all can do, If a guy who works with silver is called a silver smith, and a guy who works with gold is a goldsmith then the archery guy who makes arrows is an: (waits) Audience: AEROSMITH If a day when all camp activities are halted due to heat is a red day, and when you are cautioned to drink 4 glasses of water is called a yellow day, then a day where heat is not an issue is called a (Waits) Audience: GREEN DAY (they get ready to leave the stage) Scout 1: Hey, did you think this skit was funny? Scout 2: I am not sure, I just think the camp director is happy we didnt mention BARE NAKED LADIES (Walk off )

The BSA website has a fact sheet for islam in Scouting, http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-928.html if you google Islam and Boy Scouts you will get a lot of articles. I am also Roman Catholic, spent three years in St Charles Borremeo Seminary in Lockport, Illinois. Now, it was only the first three years of Seminary but I dont remember ever being told if you respect another's culture and beliefs you couldn't be a Priest, much less a lay Roman Catholic. I think the Roman Catholic church is much more tolerant of other beliefs than it is given credit. In the Troop, District and Council I serve I have not run across any person or group trying to ram christian or the God of the Bible (Islam, Judiasm, Christian) down to anybody, could they exist, most certainly, but its nothing I have tripped over (as yet)

How can Native American beleifs be against the BSA when both the Order of the Arrow and Mic-O-Say Honor Camping Societies honor Native American culture? Scoutings concept of God does not necessarily reflect Eurocentric thinking unless you accept the Baha'i, Hindu. Islam, Jewish and Zoroastrian faiths as having roots in Europe

Ok, I have taken a beating lately being accused of having no sense of humor, being the type of guy who would denounce Jesus if he cured on the Sabbath and a few other comments pretty much implying I wouldnt know funny if it bit me on the butt, "And do you know what I say? Ha ha! Do you hear me? Ha ha ha!" Here is one skit I assembled, some parts you may recognize so in the spirit of the Oscars I call it work inspired by previous material: (Three Scouts around a Campfire) Scout 1: I am so glad to be out of the house, all my parents think about is scouting, my dad wants to serve tin foil dinners at my graduation party Scout 2: You think thats bad? My parents looted my college fund to buy Coleman stock when they got a tip they were coming out with a propane powered microwave camp stove. Scout 3 Yeah, well my mom says my dads favorite cologne is Deep Woods Off Scout 1 When my dad redid the downstairs bathroom, the plans called for digging a second , deeper hole. Scout 2 MY Dad was arrested at the airport, he wouldnt let go of his nailclipper until the security guard said thank you Scout 3 Last winter when we lost power for a day my parents started using the 3 pot method for washing dishes, and We are STILL using it! (Scouts 4 and 5 walk onto stage) Scout 4: Hey, what are you guys doing?, Scout 3 Oh, we are just talking about how nuts our parents are over scouting, Aren't you the twin brothers who just joined the Troop? Scout 5 Yes, just joined and our family is questionably the most nuts over scouting, bar none! Scout 2 Oh yeah? What makes you so sure? Scout 5 You want to handle that one Baden? Scout 4 No, you take it Powell. (more to come)

Knowing and Utilizing your resources... Where did I hear that again? OK, in the Princess Bride, Fred Savage is wearing a jersey, whose is it and bonus points, who is in the poster above his bed?

Not that jumping to conclusions isn't the forums offcial form of exercise, but I am not sure anyone said Scouting should be easy... I dont think I or anyone said a scout didnt have to learn and be able to use his knots, start a campstove or cook his meals. I dont know anyone who said a scout should never fail at anything. I have said multiple times that if a POR is not being fulfilled, the scout can and should be relieved of the position before he gains credit for rank. I dont know of anyone on the forum who doesnt think the scout should conform to all requirements for advacement. if they cant swim 100 yards, doing your best is not enough, you swim 100 yards pranking someone because you yourself have been pranked makes no sense to me

LSMFT Originally thought to have meant Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco (dont know if the package has the LSMFT on it anymore) During the 60's it was rumored that a few urban police forces (such as Chicago and Detroit) had LSMFT as a motto as in Lets Shoot * * Tonight, then again as a child of the 60's and the womens movement replete with bra burnings, it could be construed that LSMFT means Loose Straps Means Floopy *

Kirk knew the Kobayashi Maru was a no win situation so he felt that Starfleet was cheating because they offered no way out so he cheated back. One could say it would be like having the scout sent out for a left handed smoke shifter come back with a twisted piece of ductwork that would make Rube Goldberg jealous. All fun stuff, but if I remember corectly the Starfleet Academy was in the business of making Starfleet Officers and used tactics similar to todays basic training (See "Full Metal Jacket", "An Officer and a Gentleman") where the goal is to break down the individual and build 'em back to the image they need. Not sure how the Boy Scout program fits in

Happy Thinking Day to all of the GSUSA's Volunteers!

R-O-U-S's? I don't think they exissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

Trev, trully yours is a dizzying intellect although I do not think that word means what you think it does... And I know something you do not...

You may have a point Ed, I think every campout should have at least one Kobayashi Maru targeted to the younger scouts, we owe it to todays' youth to teach them to expect failure, over and over again

Don't forget PL, APL, ASPL, SPL, JASM, SM, ASM, CC, CM, COR, IH, CA, ACA, DE, FD, SE etc

I think the idea of a Personal Locator Beacon is fine, but in a program where the cost of a uniform seems to draw the ire of quite a few people, what would a $450 PLB do?

kb6jra, you are correct sir Local, sorry I thought that OFS was as universal as LOL

Lets all heed Beavah's advice, it may be time to stop speculating and let Gonzo go and find out whats what for himself, until then its speculation and hearsay (and I speculated a lot, I understand) but if we dont put the brakes on pretty soon we will be convinced they rituallistically sacrifice humans at campfires

::lightbulb going on:: Are we talking a Troop trailer that stores the troop equipment or are we talking about a sleep-in, VCR/DVD playing, flush toileted, electric generator powered trailer

I am not sure what it is, well I do a little. We have a thread going on about how some areas appear to be cramming many aspects of training into too little time. Then there is the University of Scouting comming up next month, somebody thought it would be a great idea to also do a Trainer Development Conference on the same day. So with presenters presenting for both University of Scouting and the Trainer Development Conference there may not be many people left to present to. Why the big rush on training? I know supposedly no one has time anymore, but how many of use would let a guy coach our children in baseball if they couldnt explain the infield fly? Or basketball if they didnt know what is meant by double dribble (and thats not when Charles Barkley eats ice cream). Do we need to sacrifice training content to jam as many people through it as possible? Anyway, the more I know the less I like it

Only 4 beaded ones actually fly the 'copter, although 3 beaders are allowed to come along as "observers"