OldGreyEagle

SR540Beaver, I am so tempted to simply answer "yes" and leave it at that, but to actually be fruitful, I am saying yes, if you want to be around, you have to adapt. The value of a mission and vision statement is that in times of change you can stay true to your mission and vision while changing the delivery of the program. as you mentioned, Skatebords attract kids, its part of what kids call "Extreme" sports. Perhaps we need to emphasize more of that sort. And I don't mean Troops contruct Skateboard ramps at the scout hut, but perhaps they plan more extreme outings. What's the definition of extreme? Heck, I dont know, ask your youth. Then again, if they want to do things that tke adults with a specfic skill set that costs, you may have some challeneges, but I would rather work at challenges than wring my hands and long for the good old days, ... that was yesterday, and yesterday's gone...

Heck, its not just the youth who have changed, what about the parents? Parents who are deathly araid of an axe because they have never used one. Parents who have never slept out under the stars or in a tent, Parents who have never ventured off a manicured Handicapped accessibile trail (although they are fully mobile). And adults who havent handled a rope and have no idea nor any inclination on how to tie a knot. While reinventing Boy Scouts, we may have to reinvent the way we teach, train, recruit adults, because we are losing adults with second nature scout akills and they are not being replaced

Said a Bear sitting comfortably in his lair As he ran a paw through his rather unruly hair I know there are Eagles Who would argue what is legal But I prefer to concentrate on whats fair

It may be a good idea to check what the Guide to Safe Scouting says about Leadership Requirements For Trips and Outings. Two-deep leadership: Two registered adult leaders, or one registered leader and a parent of a participating Scout or other adult, one of whom must be at least 21 years of age or older, are required for all trips or outings. There are a few instances, such as patrol activities, when no adult leadership is required. Coed overnight activities require male and female adult leaders, both of whom must be 21 years of age or older, and one of whom must be a registered member of the BSA. (italics and underlining my idea, the whole section is printed in bold, making it BSA Policy) Units that allow no adult trips are following the Guide to Safe Scouting, not ignoring it. No Scoutmaster is expected to allow "Any" patrol to do a no adult outing. The patrol presents the Scoutmaster with the outing plan. The scoutmaster either approves or rejects it. Now, if the scoutmaster rejects it (a harsh term for sure), I am sure the scoutmaster would explain what would be added to the plan to make it acceptable or at the very least, what the patrol needs to do for a plan to be approved. The Scoutmasters approval is the "Qualified Supervision" that is required Categorically denying Patrol BackPacking Trips is actually against the Guide to Safe Scouting(This message has been edited by OldGreyEagle)

ewww SMT, do you know the livers' function? What it contains? ewwww

Gee Pack, I can only imagine your delight at preparing lobster, or as my my fathah would say, Lobstah

And we need to Skewer the Pharmaceutical Companies as well. You know, they make "antibiotics", translation, "against life" materials. Polio, Tuberculosis, Small Pox, they all need love and protection don't they? Hey, birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim and streptococcal bacteria need to multiply, can't we all just get along?

Hey BS, the answer is yes they can. They give the scoutmaster a plan the scoutmaster can approve and off they go, pure and simple

Hey SWMom, aren't you the free lance writer? It would be fun for you to put together an essay on your experiences and send it in to Scouting Magaizine, wouldnt it? A three hour Eagle Board of Review? heck in the BSA Publication Advancement Committee Guide Policies and Procedure it says that Eagle Boards of Review should take 30 minutes, over 3 hours may be considered overkill.

Oddly enough it wasn't all that long ago I got a rather lengthy PM dressing me down for being such a Liberal and the main reason Western Civilization was doomed to failure. Now I stand accused of being too whatever I was acussed of, but I sure know it wasn't too Liberal. I think I understand the definition of an Activist Judge now, its a Judge whom you disagree with, the merits of the situation have no bearing

I am not sure any group has said they would not pay a "usage" fee for the facilties, they just want an equal crack at using the facilities. Now, if the Atheist and Gay Alliance would want to have the Pavillion and not pay for it, that would be a separate issue, but as I understand it, uncompensated use of the facilities is not at stake here

nad here I thought it was bcause the O'Brian Bar Mitzvah couldn't have the Pavillon they wanted the second week of July because of Cub Scout Day Camp

Actually I think that Ohio State only lost by 3 to Texas is pretty cool, at least it was a close loss, as opposed to so many of the other Big 10 losses this Bowl season...

My esteemed peers, Bob White and evmori are correct. There is no minimum or maximum hours required. Now, I have seen where some Districts put out Guidlines (Arrrggh like the Pirates Code) that indicate that the Eagle project should have 100 hours. This is intended as an aid to the scout to develop an Eagle project of sufficient scope when seeking approval. Now, does that mean if the Project comes in at 90 hours the Project must be redone? Can't mean that as there is no requirement. Does mean that the Scout needs to show he led the project just as if the project was 500 hours. In the situations I know about, its intended as a guide, nothing more. Perhaps somewhere a guideline became a rule, I hear it happens

Sorry, But I have to How Do you stew a tomato?

OK, I am late to the party here, I have been away. In the Council I serve the Council has a Calender that is always scheduled 18 months out, so Districts know what is happening and if they schedule events on Council Events week end, well, that happens. When Disitrcts schedule activites that gets placed on the calendar as well. The OA weekends is always the week end after Labor day and before Memorial Day and everyone knows it. Would an advanced Council Calendar help? It wont prevent multiple activities on the same day, but it would give you notice of it when scheduling events

What can be cuter than dancing penguins happy and gay, well not gay gay, just merry gay

In the final episode of Seinfeld, didn't the gang get sentenced to Jail for not helping out?

As I am easily confused, what are you talking about bob when you say: "I would strongly diagree that for the Boy Scout highest rank you study Boy Scouting." ? What are you talking about?

And comming soon, History of the World Part 2, Hitler on Ice (Note, this is not a Godwin's law situation)

right back at you

To earn the Arrow of Light, what does a Cub Scout have to do? Be active in your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade (or for at least six months since becoming 10 years old), and earn the Webelos badge. Show your knowledge of the requirements to become a Boy Scout by doing all of these: Repeat from memory and explain in your own words the Scout Oath or Promise and the 12 points of the Scout Law. Tell how you have practiced them in your everyday life. Give and explain the Scout motto, slogan, sign, salute, and handshake. Understand the significance of the First Class Scout badge. Know its parts and tell what each stands for. Tell how a Boy Scout uniform is different from a Webelos Scout uniform. Tie the joining knot (square knot). Earn five more activity badges in addition to the three you already earned for the Webelos badge. These must include: Fitness (already earned for the Webelos badge) Citizen (already earned for the Webelos badge) Readyman Outdoorsman At least one from the Mental Skills Group At least one from the Technology Group One more of your choice See page 74 in the Webelos Handbook for the activity badge groups. With your Webelos den, visit at least one Boy Scout troop meeting and one Boy Scout-oriented outdoor activity. (If you have already done this when you earned your Outdoorsman activity badge, you may not use the same outing to fulfill requirements for your Arrow of Light Award.) Participate in a Webelos overnight campout or day hike. (If you have already done this when you earned your Outdoorsman activity badge, you may not use the same outing to fulfill your Arrow of Light Award requirements.) After you have completed all five of the above requirements, and after a talk with your Webelos den leader, arrange to visit, with your parent or guardian, a meeting of a Boy Scout troop you think you might like to join. Have a conference with the Scoutmaster. Complete the Honesty Character Connection. a. Know: Say the Cub Scout Promise to your family. Discuss these questions with them: What is a promise? What does it mean to keep your word? What does it mean to be trustworthy? What does honesty mean? b. Commit: Discuss these questions with your family. Why is a promise important? Why is it important for people to trust you when you give your word? When might it be difficult to be truthful? List examples. c. Practice: Discuss with a family member why it is important to be trustworthy and honest. How can you do your best to be honest even when it is difficult? I think the Cub Scout program very much ties to Boy Scouts, to get the highest Cub Award you study Boy Scouting, to get the Boy Scout highest award, you do not study Venturing. Now, if that were to change...

One of the reasons there is no clear cut path from Boy Scouts to Venturing is because inherently they are two separate programs. Boy Scouts build on Cub Scouts, I am not sure Venturing builds a lot on Boy Scouts. For Outdoor Crews there is a lot of Cross-over, but a 14 year old who has never been in scouting in a Religious Life, Arts and Hobbies, or Sports Crew will not be much different than a Crew Member who has been or is a Boy Scout. Boy Scouts and Venturing are two programs and trying to tie the two together is a dis-service to them both. Leastwise that's my opinion, I could be wrong

it'll be the comfy chair for the likes of you

Dang, I Plan to be in Clarksville Arkansas by then visiting my father. Oh well. When you pass the Rte 412 exit, turn right and snap off a salute I will pick it up later