Scouter99

You can't find someone who isn't a martyr to do just the logging?

Where this gets me is international events. A lot of foreign camps reach out, and I am unclear whether our 18+ people (College Reserve, ASMs) can attend as "youth" since the foreign association's youth programs run through mid-20s, or if they're outta luck and can't go because BSA considers them adults. Or if they can go by themselves since they're adults legally and in the yes of BSA, or if they're welcome to come but I also have to go because they're youth in the eyes of the hosts. As far as "adult participants" let's get real, it's clear they mean participants in the advancement system, who are legally adults but just in the crew to have fun. SMs of any age could earn Eagle Scout until the 1940s.

http://www.oa-bsa.org/pages/content/ask-the-chairman-does-the-change-in-adult-age-affect-the-order

Your comments here betray a basic ignorance of why Scouting was created, why it uses the outdoors, and therefore what it is. Scouting is a direct reaction against modernization. Scouting is a direct reaction against modernization. Scouting is a direct reaction against modernization. Scouting's forerunnersâ€â€The Woodcraft Indians, the Sons of Daniel Boone, the Wandervogel, YMCA campsâ€â€are direct reactions against modernization. That is why we take boys into the woods. To combat the effects of urban living: Sloth, poor health, moral decay, child labor. To combat the ill effects of modern conveniences. Your picture of STEM a la outdoors is just that: A picture, a fiction. It is not what STEM Scouts is, and it is not BSA's picture of STEM, so it has no bearing on the discussion here. Skip the time machine and hop in your car to the local library where you can check out The Scouting Party: Pioneering and Preservation, Progressivism and Preparedness in the Making of the Boy Scouts of America and gain a sufficient understanding of what the BSA is before you jump to throw out the program that was designed in a specific way for a specific reason and has worked for over 100 years despite your myopic, faddish insistence that as a retrograde outdoors program in the era of Tesla and Edison it should have "receded into the past" 5 seconds after it was created. Are you being funny, or do you really think that the best way to stop kids from calling Scouts faggots is to put them in lab coats and goggles? Responding to STEM Scouts by arguing along the lines of the MB program is intellectually dishonest and you know it. And if MBs are enough, then we have enough STEM MBs and no need for STEM Scouts. The boys who want to do them can do them from a regular troop. In either case, you, like skeptic, seem not to misunderstand what Scouting is. It is not a career prep program, that's why Explorers exists as a separate venture. It is not a modernity relevance program, or else it was already a failure in 1910.

There have been up to 5 GS troops at our CO at once, each one had enough girls. It's stupid.

Sounds like a nightmare. Pretty much impossible for kid-serving agencies to lobby against without looking horrible, maybe once the first round of renewals comes through and a bajillion volunteers do the math the state will be asked to come to its senses.

Don't tell Merlyn

And when it does http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dfe_1302195872 A few years back, a middle-schooler wore his uniform for picture day. He was bullied so badly that he decided to get even, so he filled 11 Coke bottles with gasoline, put his knife in his pocket, and off to school. The school resource officer walked in on him mid-scheme in the bathroom. The officer was stabbed several times while subduing the boy, but survived. At sentencing, he asked for leniency for the boy.

Tangential: Why worry about a CDL for 8 scouts?

As an early Millennial, let me just say that the later models are idiots. Truly. "Gifted" kids that don't know what an index is; ask me if they should use a pen or pencil; don't know their own phone numbers; miss events because "no one told me about it" in spite of notice via text, FB, Twitter, voicemail (if their mailbox isn't full) and email twice; are genuinely shocked that if they send a picture of their crotch to someone that person will and does forward it; one word: "promposal;" handwriting like a 2-yr-old because of computers; spelling like a 2-yr-old in spite of computers; incapable of discussing any issue for fear of hurting someone's feelings. Gen Y is the same as Millennial.

I'd need to know what you mean by "credit for an activity" before I really felt comfortable in an opinion. Do you mean your troop actually tracks their percentage of attendance for advancement?

Awwww, it couldn't have been much worse than this Scout statue I won't do it without an explicit moderator "OK" but I could post the cover of a late 1950s UK magazine "The Scout" (British Boys' Life) that features a completely nude scout on a raft he's built Tom Sawyer style. Not frontal, but just imagine the deaths by heart attack if there were a boy's butt on the cover of Boys' Life. Of course, even Boys' Life was once racy by today's standards: http://boyslife.org/wayback/#issue=jsuwk3gy8lwC&pg=14 I'm pretty conservative, but the 1980s pushback against the 60s/70s sex culture took us to a point that is more prudish about non-sexual nudity than we ever were before the 60s.

This is just the whining of people who can't stand open discussion.

Oh! Yeah, that interactive site? Terrible.

I'm on board with Qwasze's sentiment in the over-the-top area but I'd suggest you just tell the kid to set up a pup tent then egg the guy's house for the same effect with less effort.

Forward your offending committee members this video from BSA National "Guardians of the Gate"

Uhhhhh http://www.scoutstuff.org/emb-honor-guard.html#.VMm1IS6b9m0

Like all ethics, scout leader ethics are subjective and inconsistent, get used to it.

Be mean to them and make ugly faces while no one is looking, then stand close to wherever you don't want them to be. (This is theoretical, thankfully I've never had to actually solve this issue)

Cub camping and family camping are not the same as scout camping, and troops that conflate the two are doing a disservice to their Scouts. Family Camping has its own section precisely because it is different than what a normal Boy Scout camping experience should be. Exactly.