Xagor

I am not sure if there are any national rules about this, but my friends and I had outside help on our Eagle projects and the Eagle board was fine with that. If anything, it shows more leadership and exposes local troops to local communities, which is good on many levels. Good luck on your project though.

It is unfortunate that we don't really have a charter organization, we sponsor ourselves in that everyone who is in our charter organization is on the troop committee. We just had a troop meeting tonight and the troop committee chairman started to interview those adult leaders who have problems with Mr. G, but so far only one person has been interviewed. When we told the parents of the kids who were going on this campout that it was canceled, they all got quite angry, as I said this event was announced for one date, moved to another, then canceled again, so they were not very happy with this news. When they asked me why it was canceled, I told them, "Go see Mr. G, I cant tell you because I honestly don't know." I know he is now more angry at me because I suppose he expected me to give them an answer. As for what he has done so far, there have not been too many big things, but he has been dictating to the scouts and PLC what can and can not be done. One major thing he did was issue a proclimation that " ... effective immediately, all scheduls, guides, notices, program-specific aids or other operational documents of troop ... should hereby be considered null and void." This is one of the things that he did recently that caused all kinds of chaos, he didn't tell anyone about it ahead of time, he just passed out a form at the end of the meeting and explained it. he also changed the way our troop handles spirit boards, we have these for the requirement of living the scout law and oath in your daily lives, before it was fine but now he has to sign them off, before it was the spl, their patrol leader, and an older scout who knows the person outside of scouts, but now he has control of that also. Again, these are just some examples but there have been many, many small examples of his... bs? And many people are angry. If you would like to discuss this with me live my AIM sn is xagor the ninja and I am on fairly often at night.

I will admit that it is a fairly short time but this sm has cut off events that had been planned well in advance for reasons that, to be nice, weren't logical. He is doing many things that people don't agree with, but he will soon find that his troop is near collapse. Many people, nearly all the older scouts are willing to walk as soon as possible, but I would like to avoid that if I can. Our troop is one of the oldest and best in our district with a great track record in both scouts and OA, but this problem needs to be adressed somehow.

Ok, thank you.

The thing that I want to know the most is if there is a way to pull this event off short of going camping as a group of friends.

The problem is that we told him about this campout on April 21 and he never asked to see the plan. I am the troop instructor and I have been running troop programs for 3 years, and I will finish my Eagle next week (assuming he signs my packet), so my resume shows plenty of planning experiance; one of the adults who will/would have been with us has been in the troop for almost 20 years and was sm twice, has the sm's key and the sm award of merit; there is also the fact that Mr. G has not asked to see any of our plans for anything, so this is not something we should have expected. I, and others, think that there is no reason to not have this event, and that Mr. G. is trying to gain control of something he shouldn't. He recently, without anyone being told ahead of time, decided to announce that all troop forms, scheduals, and articles were to be null and void until passed by a special committee; he has made other declarations which limit the power of scouts since then and most everyone is angry at him. We are not sure why he is doing what he does because he doesn't tell anyone, not even the troop committee.

I need to know what the BSA regulations are regarding patrol events that are supervised, my problem is that I am running our troops new scout patrol and everytime we plan something our sm says we can't do it. The current situation is, Kevin M, who is also running the new scout patrol, and I planned an event for May 6&7. Our sm, Mr. G. said we could not do it because there was a troop campout planned for the same day, but our patrol wasn't going on this campout anyways, so it didn't seem logical. So, we reshedualed the event for May 13&14, no event on those days, and he said we could have the campout. About 4 days after this he sent out an e-mail that said all events must be approved by the sm and the plc to prevent conflicts and to assist in planning to ensure good program. Kevin called him to ask him to clarify, and he said we could not have our event because he was not involved in the planning. I want to know if he can do this since we will have 2 registered adults going and Kevin and I are the most qualified people in the troop to have such an event. Please give me advice soon because the event is coming up very soon and if we need to cancel it we may walk from the troop. All but a few scouts star or above in our troop are willing to leave if Mr. G. does not allow us to run the troop, for he has a history of impeding our program in ways that are just not right. So for now my question is, is the sm allowed to cancel a patrol event which was approved by the plc, is supervised by adults, and within the ability level of the boys involved. Thanks in advance, this is a great help