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There are many a famous man who never got a college degree. A college degree means nothing these days. It's just a door to making money. Ayn Rand has her problems. She was altruistic and atheistic but she also spoke the truth in many of things she wrote about. One must sift the sand in order to pick out the gold. Ayn Rand has much gold in her since she did love 'truth'. I take the truth from anyone. Even the devil quoted scripture. If someone said it better than me, I will quote him. No need to paraphrase when someone else has eloquently spoken. I am not into "opinions" I am into knowledge.

From the 20 Volume set of The Oxford English Dictionary. 500 years of references are attached to this meaning of the word; from 1393 A.D. to 1881 A. D. There are 74 references from English literature for this word and its equivalents. {This is not a catalogue of every instance of the word.} effeminacy. Also 6 effeminaty [f. EFFEMINATE a.:see acy] 1. Effeminate quality; Unmanly weakness, softness, or delicacy. 1602 WARNER Alb. Eng. Epit. (1612) 360 Findingthe Britons alienated from themselues through ease and effeminacie. 1626 T. H. Caussins Holy Crt. 13 A spirit soothed with its owne Effeminaty. 1711 STEELE Spect. No. 104 2 His Features, Complexion, and Habit had a remarkable Effeminacy. 1763 J. BROWN Poetry & Mus. 7. 153 Their coarse manners melted gradually into false Politeness and Effeminacy. a1876 J. H. NEWMAN Hist. Sk. I.I.iv. 172 A barborous people, possessed of a beautiful country, may be relaxed in luxury and effeminacy. 2. (Cf. EFFEMINATE a. 3.) Obs. 1642 CHAS. I. Declar. Soldiers at Southamp. 21 Oct. 6 Avoid excessive drinking and effeminacy (by some esteemed the property of a souldier.) 1671 MILTON Samson 410 But foul effeminacy held me yokt Her Bond-Slave. Effeminate a. and sb. [as. Latin. effemiat-us, f. effemina-re, f. ex out + femina woman.] A. adj. 1. Of persons: That has become like a woman: a. Womanish, unmanly, enervated, feeble; self-indulgent, voluptuous; unbecomingly delicate or over-refined. Also (Obs.) absol. (cf. quot. 1609 in B.) (The two first quots. May possible belong to 3). c1430 LYDG. Bochas III. V. (1554) 77a, It isthe moste perilous thyng A prince to been of his condicion Effeminate. 1534 LD. BERNERS Gold. BK. M. Aurel. (1546) E viij, An effeminate persone neuer hathe spirite to any hie or noble dedes. 1549 Compl. Scot. Xi (1873) 25 Effemenete men sal be ther dominatours. 1555 EDEN Decades W. Ind. (Arb.) 50 The sclendernesse of theyr capacitie and effeminate hartes. 1625 K. LONG tr. Barclays Argenis IV. Xxii. 319 But a Souldiers death shall make amends for thy effeminate life. 1748 ANSON Voy. II. Xiv. (ed. 4) 386 A Luxurious and effeminate race. 1841 W. SPALDING Italy & It. Isl. I. 107 This stepenabled the Germanic soldiers to compare themselves with the effeminate troops of the south. absol. quasi-sb. 1609 BIBLE (Douay) Prov xviii. 8 The soules of the effeminate shal be hungrie. 1692 DRYDEN tr. St. Evremonts Ess. 162 A softness, wherein for the most part languish the Effeminate. b. Of things: Characterized by, or proceeding from, unmanly weakness, softness, or delicacy. 1579 GOSSON Sch. Abuse(Arb.) 32 Effeminate gesture to rauish the sence. 1591 SHAKS. I Hen. VI, V. iv. 107 Shall we at last conclude effeminate peace? 1685 CROWNE Sir C. Nice v. 49, I scorn those effeminate revenges. If I hurt any man it shall be with my sword. 1776 GIBBON Decl. & Fall I. 148 Rome washumbled beneath the effeminate luxury of Oriental despostism. 1839 H. ROGERS Ess. (1874) II.iii. 149 They would sooner employthe most effeminate circumlocution than resort to a homely term or phrase. c. Without implying reproach: Gentle, tender, compassionate. Obs. 1594 NASHE Unfort. Trav. 26 Their handes had no leasure to aske counsel of their effeminate eyes. 1594 SHAKS. Rich III, III. vii. We know your tenderness of hear, And gentle kinde effeminate remorse. d. Of music, odours, etc.: Soft, voluptuous. Obs. 1674 PLAYFORD Skill Mus. I. 61 The Ionick Mood was more light and effeminate Musick. 1692 O. WALKER Hist. Illustrated 77 The Myrtlebecause of its Effeminate smell, etc. Used for : Feminine, characteristic of women. 1549 OLDE Erasm. Par. I Timothy ii. 9 Nowe let the women also praye after thesample of the men. Yf there be any effeminate affection [Lat. Si quid est in animo muliebrium affectuum] in their stomakes, let them caste it out. 2. Physically weak, delicate. Obs. 1652 FRENCH Yorksh. Spa x. 91, Iadvise those that have effeminate stomachs to take off the cold from the water before they drink it. 3. The notion self-indulgent, voluptuous(see 1) seems sometimes to have received a special colouring from a pseudo-etymological rendering of the word as devoted to women. Unequivocal instances are rare; cf. quot. 1430 in 1; also EFFEMINACY 2; EFFEMINATENESS 2. OBS. 1490 CAXTON Eneydos xvi. 55 Man effeminate [Virgil uxorious] without honour rauysshed in to dileecttation femynyne. 1589 PUTTENHAM Eng. Poesie II (Arb.) 146 The king was supposed to bevery amorous and effeminate. 4. Used as pa. pple. Of EFFEMINATE, v. Sc. Obs. 1536 BELLENDEN Cron. Scot., How strangpepill grew in our regioun afore they were effeminate with lust. a1560 ROLLAND Crt. Venus III. 619 How mony men hes it effeminate. B. sb. And effeminate person. b. spec. (see quot. 1609) 1597 DANIEL Civ. Wars I. 70 This wanton young effeminate [Richard II.] 1609 BIBLE (Douay) I Kings xiv. 24 Effeminates [Vulg. Effeminate, 1611 Sodomites] were in the land. 1784 COWPER Task II. 223 With a just disdain Frown at effeminates. 1860 W. WEBB in Medical Times 15 Sept. 266/2 Soft-handed effeminates. effeminate, v. [ad. Latin effeminatus, pa. pple. Of effeminare (see EFFEMINATE a.). Cf. French effeminer.] 1. trans. To make into a woman; to represent as a woman. Obs. Rare. 1678 CUDWORTH Intell. Syst. 493 They effeminated the Air and attributed it to Juno. 1739 CIBBER Apol. (1756) I. 90 Till the male Queen coud be effeminated [i.e. till the actor playing that part could be shaved]. 2. To make womanish or unmanly; to enervate. 1551-6 ROBINSON tr. Mores Utop. (Arb.) 40 It is not to be feared lest they shoulde be effeminated, if thei were brought vp in good craftes. 1577 HANMER Anc. Eccl. Hist. (1585) 155 He effeminated his souldiers with all kind of delicacy and lasciuisousnesse. 1579 GOSSEN Sch. Abuse (1841) 19 Bringing sweet comfortes into Theaters which rather effeminate the minde. 1676 SHADWELL Libertine iv. II, Luxurious livingEffeminates fools in body. 1699 T. C[OCKMAN] Tullys Offices (1706) 61 note, A Stream which was said to effeminate those that washed in it. 1758 Herald II. 252 If the too free admission of wealthcouldeffeminate their manners. 1829 SOUTHEY Sir T. More II. 236 Luxury has not effeminated them. 3. intr. To become womanish; to grow weak, languish. 1393 GOWER Conf. III. 236 To seen a man from his estate Through his soty effeminate And leve that a man shall do. 1612 Bacon Greatness Kingd., Ess. 239 In a slothfull peace both courages will effeminate, and manners corrupt. effeminated ppl. a. [f. prec. + -ED.] a. Rendered womanish or unmanly. b. Reduced to the employments of a woman. C.? Degraded by subjection to a woman. 1611 SPEED Hist. Gr. Brit. IX. iii38 His chiefest Consorts were Effeminated persons, Ruffians and the like. 1619 H. HUTTON Follies Anat. 24 See Omphale, her effeminated king Basely captive, make him doe any thing. 1726 DE FOE Hist. Devil I. Iv, The effeminated Male Apple eater [Adam] effeminately, adv. 1. In an effeminate or unmanly manner or style. 1528 TYNDALE Obed. Chr. Man. In Wks. (1573) 143 That white rocherte that the Byshopsweare so like a Nunne, and so effeminately. 1555 EDEN Decades W. Ind. III.1. (Arb.) 138 Effeminately decked. 1611 COTGR., Laschementcoldly, faintly, effeminately 1638 BRATHWAIT Hist. Surv. (1651) 306 A youth too curiously and effeminately drest. 1697 POTTER Antiq. Greece (1715) I.I. xxvi 172 If any onetake hire for him [a Boy] to be effeminately embraced. 1701 W. WOTTON Hist. Rome 359 The Roman Soldiers had lived too effeminately to fight well. 1836 MARRYAT Olla Podr. xxv, Theyareavery effeminately built race. 1881 J. HAWTHORNE Fort. Fool I. Xix, Hes not effeminately lovely. 2.? Through degrading passion for a woman. 1671 MILTON Samson 562 To let in the foe, Effeminately vanquished. effeminateness 1. The quality or condition of being effeminate or womanish; unmanly softness or weakness. 1581 SIDNEY Apol. Poetrie (Arb) 59 An Artnot of effeminateness, but ofstirring of courage. 1639 FULLER Holy War II. xxvii. (1840) 84 They sent a distaff and a spindleas upbraiding their effeminateness. 1670 LASSELS Voy. Italy (1698) Pref. 19 My young traveler should leave behind himall effeminateness. 1812 H. C. ROBINSON Diary 17 June in Earle Philol. Eng. Tong. 322 His sensibilityis in danger of being mistaken for effeminateness. 2. (Cf. EFFEMINATE a. 3.) Obs. 1648 HEXHAM Dutch Dict. (1660) Verwijvinge, effeminatenesse, or given to women. effeminating, vbl. sb. The action or process of rendering effeminate; unmanly softening or weakening. 1555 EDEN Decades W. Ind. (Arb.) 190 They make rather to theffeminatynge of the myndes of men. 1710 LADY M. W. MONTAGUE Lett. lxvii. II. 110 We are permitted no books but such as tend to theeffeminating of the mind. effeminating, ppl. a. Making effeminate or unmanly; enervating. 1676 WYCHERLEY Pl. Dealer III. I, Thou art as hard to shake off as thateffeminating mischief, love. 1757 Herald (1758) I.91 Effeminating luxury. 1860 EMERSON Cond. Life (1861) 121, Ifind the religions of menunmanly and effeminating. effemination, [ad. Latin effemination-em] The process of rendering or of becoming effeminate. 1650 SIR T. BROWNE, Pseud. Ep. (ed. 2) 120 [The hare] figureddegenerous effemination. 1684 tr. Bonets Merc. Compit. I. 36, I know a place in the Bellywhich, if burnt [with moxa], a certain Effemination follows, without hope of recovering a mans Virility. effeminator. Obs. Rare. He who, or that which, renders effeminate. 1630 BRATHWAIT Eng. Gentlew. (1641) 279 That Effeminatour both of youth and age, Delicacy of apparel. effeminize, v. Now rare. trans. To render effeminate or womanish in character or appearance. c1612 SYLVESTER Du Bartas (1621) 1083 His braue Knights effeminizd by Sloath. 1616 R.C. Times Whis. iii. 970 A lovelockeDoth the lewd wearer quite effeminize. 1836 DONALDSON Theat. Greeks (ed. 4) 376 The tragic poetseffeminized them. 1863 Blaskw. Mag. Sept. 269 [Pope] is consideredto haveeffeminized Drydens style. Hence effeminzed ppl. a., effeminizing ppl. a. 1824 Blackw. Mag. XVI. 162 Enthusiasminspiredby the effeminizing sensuality of Moore. 1881 LD. LYTTON in 19th C. Nov. 769 Our present somewhat effeminized civilization. Ibid. 774 It tends to encourageand effeminizing influence in English poetry.

The struggle to stay on course. Much like captains and men of ships in a storm; they struggle to keep the bow pointed into the waves for if it turns left or right, the next wave will swamp them and they shall all perish. The movie "Master and Commander" is a good movie for all boys to see. The saying is "Of wooden ships and iron men". Now we live in an age of "Iron ships and wooden men". "Master and Commander" is about how "real" men live.

A man must strive to attain. No one, Socrates said, is willingly deprived of the good. To win it required all that a man could give. Simonides wrote: Not seen in visible presence by the eyes of men Is Excellence, save his from whom in utmost toil Heart-racking sweat comes, at his manhoods height. Aristotle summed up the search and struggle: Excellence much labored for by the race of men. The Greek Way, Edith Hamilton, Norton, 1930, 1993, pg 175. The truth to reconcile these truths he found in the experience of men, which the men of his generation must have realized far beyond others, that pain and error have their purpose and their use: they are steps of the ladder of knowledge: (Now Edith Hamilton quotes Aeschylus.) God, whose law it is that he who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget, falls drop upon the heart, and in our own despite, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. Ibid, pg 156. Through (St.) Paul, who was of Tarsus where the Stoics had a great school, Stoicism also lived on. It merged into Christianity with little difficulty. An early Stoic wrote, They who turn to God He hardens, and in those days Christianity too was a hard religion. A Christian was expected to give up much and to live dangerously. The Stoics found it congenial. The Echo of Greece, Edith Hamilton, Norton, 1957, pg 177

Under the heading of Perseverance: The Latin term for inconstancy (mollities) indicates a kind of softness or effeminacy of spirit. Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol 11, pg 154. Virtue is a habit. Virtue by nature needs the virtue of perseverance. An effeminate man can never attain virtue since he cannot persevere. Under the heading of Long Suffering: Inconstancy is the vice of those who are unwilling to endure the tedium of prolonged action in the face of obstacles. They are soft and easily abandon the pursuit of virtue in the face of exterior difficulties, such as the jibes of others. Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol 8, pg 983. One can say that hardiness and ruggedness is necessary for the attainment of virtue. They strengthen a man to endure and to suffer. There is a new term being bandied about: the term metrosexual. It is what was called a dandy 100 years ago. They created a new name for something they have lost the usage of. Dandy and this new term metrosexual are pretty words for essentially effeminates.

Laurie do not know church history? How about the Arian heresy? What about the Gnostic heresy? Did the orthodox believers stand around and do nothing or did they contend for truth? We are to contend for the truth. The iconoclastic controversy in the Eastern Christianity lasted over 200 years. It says, "just as it has taught you abide in him". 1 John 2.27 "Maintain the traditions that I delivered to you" I Cor 11.2 I maintain the traditions and the teachings uncorrupted. It is others that are not obedient. What did St. Vincent Lerins say, "What has been believed by all, from the beginning." Feminism is not a Christian teaching from the beginning. Sorry. For those of you who are Christians, if you promote feminism you are promoting heresy. James 5.19 "If anyone among you wanders from the truth" you are to bring him back. The consistency is the criterian of truth.

To Mr. Hunt Why trust modern scholars about anything? College degrees aren't worth the paper they're written on. Take for instance, a Republic. There is a political Scientist at the University of Tampa Florida. Her name is Susan McGinnis, if my memory serves me right. She has a PHD in Political Science. She calls this country a democracy all the time. She was on all the media outlets of newspapers and TV. With seven years of higher education and she still can't get it right along with every one of those "political scienctists" out there. None of them have it right. Not even the President with his Yale degree. NONE. How stupid they look. They are all like emperors with no clothes on. Explain this Mr. Hunt, how many college degrees went into the 26th edition that is quoted in the first post? Yet, they did not do their job. Modern scholars really means Socialist scholars. Even Apostolos Makrakis (c 1825-1910) talked of universities as "Obfuscatories". Ayn Rand worked with them. She couldn't stand them either.

I read both books front to cover with an highlighter and a pen. Just another example of the whitewashing of literature. We got to be careful not to tell boys what the end product is; we are too busy to perpetrate their immaturity and childish fun. Boys need examples and yet none is given him in the modern handbook. In the book, Sex Differences, boys naturally play war. They invent guns and bows and arrows and play that as children. Do not animals imitate their jobs while playing? Do not cats play at pouncing? Do not lions cubs on the velt imitate their adults? Do not all the progeny of predators imitate their parents? Are humans any different? Why shouldn't any physical imitation such as pictures of frontiersman, pioneers, actual scouts, knights, heroes, and soldiers grace the modern handbook? Because we are busy socializing boys to do the political correct thing of being effeminate? To 'socialize' them for the global village? What happiness did Jesus have here on earth? Cicero complained all the time of depression. God doesn't even make us "happy". I can't find it in the Bible anywhere. I can find toil and hardships for man. I have noticed that when men grow old they become more liberal and effeminate. They all soften. It is a nice thing to say but that is not even a Christian duty to make others happy why would it be a scouts' duty. Does Nature give us happiness? Or does it come out of sorrow and headache first?(This message has been edited by WHEELER)(This message has been edited by WHEELER)

Perseverance is a moral virtue. But it is also necessary for all virtues since all virtues are habits of character. Perseverance is the golden mean between inconstancy at the low extreme and stubborn and hard pertinacity at the top extreme. To endure is perseverance. Virtue, by its very nature, demands a certain immobility and stability; all good habits demand a certain permanence. Without the virtue of perseverance no virtue would be practiced for a prolonged period of time, and thus it would be impossible to attain the perfection of virtue Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol 11 pg153-154. Virtue is NOT a value. One does not decide one day not to be courageous or bold because I don't want to. A man is not a man without virtue. Virtue's are habits that are constantly used. Values are things that change day to day according to opinion.

References to the word man in the l948 Handbook 1, You are in the company of men; 8, men; 18, group of men; 20, great men of history; 22, 2X men, man; 23, men; 24, he was outstanding as a strong, virile man; 25, two men; 34, great men of history; 35, Great men; 39, You and all men; 43, Those are the qualities that make great and successful men.; 47, woodsmen; 59, Woodsmen; 61, What a man your Scoutmaster is! 62, to be real men; 64, men; 103, The men; 104, both the boy and man leaders; 118, young men; 120, 2X men, men; 121, group of men to serve boys; 122, 5X statesman, men of toil, men, men, seamen; 192, mans interest; 193, 2X to man, man; 195, Army men; 196, to man; 219, man; 233, first white man; 235, 2X man, men; 241, 2X man, mankind; 253, 2X man, man; 305, man-sized job; 391, 2X men, man; 399, men; 411, boy or man; 417, 2X man, men; 422, men; 431, These men; 433, with a fine man; 434, 3X for young men, men, young men; 435, for young men; 436, young man; 438, 2X men, men; 444, waterman; 446, 3X his men, boys and men were eager for scouting, Men; 447, famous men. Man and its plural appears 64 times. References to the word man in the l998 Handbook 26, men; 46, men#; 47, how to live as a boy and as a man; 186, men*; 331, Man**; 334, men#; 336, men#; 338, young man; 360, man*; 376, manhood; 424, young men#; 425, men; 432, boys to become better men. * Quote from an Old Handbook. ** Title of a Book # Said in conjunction with and women. Man and its plural appears 13 times in the modern version. If one takes away the two quotes from old handbooks and the title it is reduced to 10 times. If one subtracts the instances and women, man appears by itself six times. It is never preceded with any adjective like famous, great, virile, or real. __________________________ References to Outdoorsman in the l948 Handbook for Boys. Pages 137, 138, 141, 142, 145, 296. There is no use of the word outdoorsman in the new Scout Handbook. The book has the word, trailsman on page 63 but it again is a quote from another book. If outdoorsman is added to total of the appearance of man in the 1948 Manual, the new total would be 70 references to man. Outdoorsman and woodsmen is never used but the gender neutral term hikers is in the modern Handbook. ___________________________ In the l948 Handbook the word Gentleman is used twice. 33, an officer and a gentleman; 409, clean-living, quiet-spoken gentleman. In the modern Handbook, it appears once on page 49. _____________________________ In the 1948 Handbook: mankind, page 241; Knights, 4X pages 42,118-9; Heroes, page 18. Habits, 5X pages 25,30. Soldier, 2X page 6, 22. Boer Commandos, page 416; Manly quality, page 35; Boxing, page 432. In the l998 Handbook: Soldier, pg 334; manliness, 376; Male, 424; habits, 383. Soldier and Knights appear 6 times in the l948 Handbook. Soldier appears once in the modern Handbook. _____________________________ There is one Classical reference in the l948 Handbook. The Athenian code is reproduced, page 119. There is no classical reference in the modern Handbook. _____________________________ The two most premier American scouts of all time were Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone. They are mentioned on page 2 along with Lewis and Clark and Rogers Rangers. One has to wait till page 221 to find a mention of Lewis and Clark in the modern handbook. Historical references, Quotes of other men, in the 1948 Handbook; 2,6,18,22,24,34,42,44,47,56,70,71,120,408 Historical references, Quotes of other men, in the l998 Handbook 221, 338, 335 _________________________________ Pictures of men in the l948 Handbook. 3,9,16,18,34,62,120,121,153,186. Page 120 has four pictures of men. There are two knights, an Indian and a frontiersman with rifle. There are two pictures of the American Founding Fathers. Pictures of men in the Modern Handbook. iii,5,285,343,346,429,433. The pictures are all of Scoutmasters or civilians. ___________________________________ The one-man latrine in the l948 has been converted to a cathole in the modern Handbook. ___________________________________ There are three advertisements for guns in the l948 handbook. Guns are mentioned on page 280, 292. Hunting is also mentioned. Guns and Rifles are never mentioned in the modern version. In the l948 Handbook: to correct your weakness page 24. to toughen you page 143. In the l998 Handbook To give happiness to other people pg 54 To defend the rights of all people pg 46, 54 The person you want to be pg 437 Here's a new one "Give Happiness to other people". This is straight from the Mommy Scouts of America. We have the "right" to abortion and we have a "right" to sleep with anybody we want to. A Boy Scout is to defend rights? Right? Does the boy grow up to be a Man or the transgender Person?

Culture defines Politics. I have provided three seperate witnesses to this truth. Culture defines Politics is a principle of LIFE. Only the foolish man ignores this principle. With socialist culture comes socialist politics. With socialist politics comes socialist culture. One cannot divorce the two. Everything exists in a harmony. The Web of Life. Feminism is socialist modality. This points to the fact of socialist politics in our society. WOW. A convergence. There is harmony between the culture and the politics. This is stated in Plato's Republic. Microcosm/Macrocosm. What goes in one sphere, so goes the other sphere. The physical-cosm is not divorced from the metaphysical-cosm. The physical-cosm is not split from the spiritual-cosm. The Microcosm is a reflection of the Macrocosm. The Macrocosm is a reflection of the Microcosm. Please see a demonstration of this fact in the post "What is a Republic". Change the spiritual reality and one changes the physical reality. Clothes make the man. What is one the inside is portrayed on the outside. Words are a sign of the inside of a man. Microcosm/macrocosm. One cannot escape this paradigm. Our culture is socialistic, our government reflects this. Duh!

The Scout Oath and Law are not "values" as I pointed out in the post "Socialist Words vs Christian Classical Words". The Scout Law is a list of virtues. The Scout Law is not a complete list of virtues either. How can a boy reach manhood without having ALL the virtues? Where is the virtue "Prudence" in the Scout Law? Yet it is marked out by Plato, Aristotle and the writer of 4 Maccabees as the most important virtue of all. When is a boy scout going to hear "prudence"? Is there room for perfection? The Scout Oath is an encapsulation of masculinity and manhood. It is not a value. To say that a woman takes the Scout Oath is ridiculous. The Scout Oath is a product of a manly culture. It is how 'men' transmit their social and intellectual nature. The oath is an expression of masculine nature. It is not a value. The Scout Oath and Law are not "in toto" what it means to be a man. "The good comes through the Hard". "Hard" makes the man. Yet where is this portrayed? It is somewhat in the "physical fit" part of the oath but it is not complete. "The good comes through the Hard" is central to the paideia of masculinity. The picture of the Boy Scout in the l911 excerpt is a good picture of a Scout's hardness. Hardness to the rigors of life is what Baden-Powell instilled in his trainees in South Africa. Every boy needs to hear the phrase, "The good comes through the Hard". No words are never obsolete. It is only that the Left doesn't want you to hear them.

Thanks. I meant that Custer DID set a bad example, therefore he is a good example for WHAT NOT TO DO. Yes, Hubris and stupidity led to his demise. I see the same hubris and stupidity here also that is leading the BSA program to its own demise and ultimately the demise of masculinity and manhood.

Sirach 14.20 "The multitude is easily decieved." Sirach 13.8 "Beware that thou be not decieved." In Deut 22.5 "The apparel of a man shall not be on a woman, neither shall a man put on a women's dress; for everyone that does these things is an adomination to the Lord thy God". "Putting on the apparel of a man". What is the policeman's uniform? What is a soldier's uniform? What is the Boy Scout uniform? The apparel of a man. Just like it is forbidden to "wear" it is also forbidden to do the job of a man. Women are forbidden to do the job of men. There are exceptions to the rule like Debra, a judge in the OT, and Joan of Arc. In the case of Joan of Arc the men were cowardly before the English and therefore effeminate, God raised up a woman to shame them. I would suppose the same occured in the time of Debra. To FirstPusk, I take it you are a Christian. If you are, you are doing the work of the devil. Do you obey God or do you obey men?

Terry, I have been trying to keep my posts relative to Scouting. In the interrelationship of human life; i.e. the web of life, the impact of politics affects our discernment. Politics is the outgrowth of one's philosophy. Philosophy is like a DOS program. Whatever's ones philosophy determines ones, mentality, modality, and terminology. Many people out there have a false impression of Fascism that it is of the right and slander Christians with the word Fascism. I have proven in the post Politics 101 where fascism is a product of socialism and of the left. This is relevant to scouting because the slandering of Christians with fascism will tend people to discount what we say as Christians. Having a CORRECT understanding of political terms and philosophies does have an impact on the Boy Scout Program. The waters are muddied due to a lot of misconceptions. Correctly defining and dividing and then organizing the information in an hierarchical system (Genus Species) will give us a clue to what is going on. I am trying to build a coherent viewpoint or case that discloses the forces and systems affecting the Boy Scout Program and how we all see it. Much of what we do today is a product of the French Revolution. Ho Chi Minh the leader of the North Vietnamese was a Communist. He studied in Paris France. 50,000 American soldiers died in Vietnam to prevent the French Revolution occuring in South Vietnam. The French Revolution was a precursor for Karl Marx. Feminism has I have pointed out earlier is propounded by Karl Marx. We need to understand Feminism. Feminism is a "modality" of socialism. This has creeped into the BSA program. Manhood and Manliness and Masculinity are products of another system alltogether the opposite of socialism. Edith Hamilton points out this different systems in her books on classical history. This battle has been going on for 3000 years. (This message has been edited by WHEELER)

I stand corrected I was wrong about the part being "golden". The point is "The Old is Good." Whereas many on this website want to trash the Old because they are dead-white-men. Jesus confirms the Old as Good. Liberals and socialists, being the progressives that they are, hate the Old. They destroy the old in order to build the new. I am not an Anarchist. I just don't practice the Roman Mentality of "Total Obedience to authority". Look up the post to "Socrates: Culture defines Politics" where I point out HISTORICAL situation where Alexander the Great commanded all to kneel to him. The Persians knelt and the Greeks remained standing. Where they anarchists also? I follow the dictum and principles of the Spartans--"Total Obedience to God and conditional obedience to men". When men are lawful, obedience is given. When men become unlawful, ST. Paul says, "Resist evil". I am a Greek not a Roman. These are two vastly different mentalities. The Greek spirit is the one that made America Great. Where the founding Fathers anarchist? Was St. Maximos the Confessor an anarchist? NO. Neither am I. The Roman Catholic Church teaches subliminally the Roman mentality. Ayn Rand talks about this difference in her books. By the Comprachicos not teaching knowledge but endorsing opinions, they have made people herdlike because THEY KNOW NO DIFFERENCE. Because they know no different, they are easily led and manipulated. Now to get back on track with this thread. I am supply a THIRD reference to "being men" from Old Scout literature. From the l948 Handbook for Boys, page 62. "Because he likes boys and wants to see them grow up to be real men." Now we have three references from three different books from two different periods. Two books from the l948; the Handbook for Boys and the Field Manual. One book from l962; the Scoutmasters handbook. We now have three references about "becoming a man". This idea came from somewhere. We have scoutmasters denying that this is the purpose of scouting. My whole premise is that this is the essential core of the Boy Scout program. "To be REAL Men." Notice the word "REAL". The executive committee is no longer promoting this. This is not by chance. Nothing in Human History is chance. There is always reason behind it. If you have not done so, Please read the thread, "Socrates: Culture defines Politics." Now, will somebody bring up the original documents of the l910's so that we may discover for ourselves their original intent. If scoutmasters think the BSA is not about "becoming a man", then prove your points with the historical documentation. We now have three references on our side. Where's your reference? The executive committee??? Do we trust the executive committee????

Rooster. This woman was denied by every court on the way up. Every jursist said she could not be a lawyer. Righteousness is about staying within one's boundaries. Not to exceed them. Being a lawyer, policeman, soldier, are all "manly functions". These jurists are expressing the Christian culture. This decision preserves Christian culture. Unadalterated from socialist influence. Feminism is unrighteousness. It tells a woman to covet and to usurp the authority and leadership of men. Adam was led by his wife Eve. Look at where that led us. This has nothing to do with "spiritual headship". It has everything to do with the whole of life. Effeminated (definition from the Oxford English Dictionary, 20 Volume set) a. Rendered womanish or unmanly. b. Reduced to the employments of a woman. c. Degraded by subjection to a woman. The definitions then are provided evidence in literature. First is the year of evidence for the meaninings. Second, the author's name. Title of Book. Sentence were it occured. I have tried to reproduce as close as possible to the dictionary's text. 1611 SPEED Hist. Gt. Brit. ix.iii @38.His chiefest Consorts were Effeminated persons, Ruffians and the like. 1619 H. HUTTON Follie's Anat. 24 See Omphale, her effeminated king Basely captive, make him doe any thing. 1726 DE FOE Hist. Devil I iv. The effeminated Male Apple eater [Adam} It is nice to see the history of one part of this word. It shows how we have been deceived in this country to accept leadership of women over us. The BSA has accepted women to be scoutmasters. This one part of the definition has shown that we are sorely deceived. This is the core of Feminism, to effeminize males.

Notice how Fuzzy Bear does not quote a single thing. It is just like Ayn Rand has said. He has done no research. He references nobody. It is ALL HIS OPINION. How can opinion be truth? It is not. As regards to openness, Socrates: "Truthfulness will never intentionally receive into their mind falsehood, which is their detestation, and they will love the truth." Republic, Jowett, sec 485; pg 216-7 Socrates "And will the love of a lie be any part of a philosopher's nature? Will he not utterly hate a lie? Reply: He will. Socrates: And when truth is the captain, we cannot suspect any evil of the band which he leads? Reply: Impossible. (Ibid, sec 490; pg 223)

This is taken from the book, "The Church Impotent", by Leon Podles. He is a Roman Catholic with six sons. His sons are in Scouting and is an Assistant Scoutmaster. "In almost all societies, learning to be masculine also means being initiated into the religion of that society, since religion teaches the meaning of the mysteries of the life and death. The holy is a masculine category: men develop their masculine identity by a pattern of seperation, both biological and cultural, and to be holy means to be seperated. The more transcendent God is, the holier he is and the more masculine he is." pg 197 "Learning to be masculine". Wow. How can men develop their masculine identity when mixed and lead by women?????? Let us not forget that Truth and Knowledge are what makes for GOOD SCOUT CITIZENSHIP. I would like all the 'people' attacking me now go attack Mr. Podles. Please.

This is taken from the book, "The Church Impotent", by Leon Podles. He is a Roman Catholic with six sons. His sons are in Scouting and he is an Assistant Scoutmaster. "In almost all societies, learning to be masculine also means being initiated into the religion of that society, since religion teaches the meaning of the mysteries of the life and death. The holy is a masculine category: men develop their masculine identity by a pattern of seperation, both biological and cultural, and to be holy means to be seperated. The more transcendent God is, the holier he is and the more masculine he is." pg 197 "Learning to be masculine". Wow. How can men develop their masculine identity when mixed and lead by women?????? Impossible.. The EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE of the BSA doesn't have a clue what it means to "be a Man". Look Bob White, here is an Assistant Scoutmaster with his own boys in the Boy Scouts. Great. Why don't you attack him now!!!! Let me remind you all the Truth and Knowledge are the BASIS of GOOD SCOUT CITIZENSHIP. WOW. Tell me where is Truth and Knowledge exhibited by any here dealing with manhood, manliness masculinity and V-I-Rtue?

This is taken from the book, "The Church Impotent", by Leon Podles. He is a Roman Catholic with six sons and is an Assistant Scoutmaster. "In almost all societies, learning to be masculine also means being initiated into the religion of that society, since religion teaches the meaning of the mysteries of the life and death. The holy is a masculine category: men develop their masculine identity by a pattern of seperation, both biological and cultural, and to be holy means to be seperated. The more transcendent God is, the holier he is and the more masculine he is." pg 197 "Learning to be masculine". Wow. How can men develop their masculine identity when mixed and lead by women?????? Impossible.. The EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE of the BSA doesn't have a clue what it means to "be a Man".

As Igor Shafarevich wrote in his excellent essay Socialism In Our Past And Future and Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in From Under the Rubble, the destruction of religion and the family are central to socialist ideology. This is from the Thread: "Socrates: Culture defines Politics".

As Igor Shafarevich wrote in his excellent essay Socialism In Our Past And Future and Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in From Under the Rubble, the destruction of religion and the family are central to socialist ideology. This is from the thread Socrates: Culture defines Politics(This message has been edited by WHEELER)(This message has been edited by WHEELER)

That's right Trail Pounder. Your merit badge book on Citizenship for country has a flawed definition of a Republic. None of you including your executive committee has a clue on what virtue is. I spent my time to know, you spend your time to gain money. For the importance of this post: As Igor Shafarevich wrote in his excellent essay Socialism In Our Past And Future and Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in From Under the Rubble, the destruction of religion and the family are central to socialist ideology.

From "A Dictionary of Americanisms; On Historical Principles", editied by Mitford M. Mathews. Pg 1895, Yahoo is "an early settler in California". 1855 SIMMS Forayers 203 The Yahoos were another tory banditti; ther name, with a strange tast, self-chosen... 1872 POWERS, Afoot&Alone 282, It is ot these Yahoos alone who find themselves without wives, for the best old Spanish blood goes a begging. Dunderment A state of astonishment or confusion. "I was kind of struck with a dunderment." "You never see'd a fellow in such a dunderment in your life". Dunderheads is my creation meaning "confused heads". To OGE and Marty Doyle, as in the original post that Custer lost his life and command due to his lack of scouting. That is why we know history, as Thycidides and the Federalist papers point out, history teaches lessons and this is a good lesson on the failure of not getting the truth and knowledge of a situation.