Bob White

TwocubDad is correct. Personally I do not drink alcohol while in uniform and I know of dozens of other scouters in my council who feel the same way. BW

If that is done it is by error on a local level. If you read the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures manual you would see that the Eagle is the one rank exception. The Eagle scout Rank is not bestowed by the unit as other ranks are it presented by the bnatinal office of the BSA, which is why eagle Courts of honor are considered National Courts of Honor. The scout is not confirmed Eagle until approved by the National Board of Review. National then dates the award as of the date of the local BOR. It's all in the scouting resources. Bob White

Exploring is career centered division of Learning for Life and is no longer a part of "traditional" scouting which includes Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Varsity and Venturing. This change was made 2 years ago or so. Bob White

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Not sure, I don't have a syllabus, but heard of the change from a course director. Bob White

I know all but a few. The SEE is that the Scout Executive Executive? BW

Hey dsteele welcome to Woodbadge for the 21st Century, I think the ticket period is now 6 to 18 months. BW

ExperiencedUniforms check you Insignia Guide, I think it says that only temporary activity patches are to be worn on the vest. I believe it specifically states that ranks ar not to be worn on the vest. Bob

I am surprised that more posters have not jumped in on this thread. I thought dsteele's question would have sparked far more participation. BW

Councils have already reserved the contigency troops and many have formed their Jambo committees and begun planning. The big question of course is how much will fuel cost in 2005. Our council has aready sent out promo flyers and youth participant applications. We are now in the process of selecting adult leadership. National and regional staff applications are due out in the next 60 days. Bob White

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We have a couple professionals that drop in and they can give the most accurate info. from my experience, who does what varies from council to council. There is an almost unlimited variety of council administative structures throught the country and overseas. Titles are more representative of the pecking order than responsibilities in many ways. There is a specific amount of work that has to be done in a council and who does it depends as much on how many employees a council can afford as anything else. I have seen DE's responsible for custodial rotations at the council office on top of their District duties. The best thing for you to do if you need something and you don't know who to talk to is call your Council Service Center and ask or ask your local professional. Bob White

In the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures manual where it instructs the District advancement chair to request and collect the letters of reference from the parties supplied by the scout on the Eagle Application. Remember the Eagle Application tells the scout what he has to do (one of those things is to supply the requested references). The Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures manual instructs the district and council volunteers on how to perform their part. The important thing to know on the unit level is that the instructions on the application need to be followed without trying to read between any lines. The instructions say to complete the entire application. That would include all requested references. Bob White (This message has been edited by Bob White)

The request for references is a part of the Eagle application and it specifies a religious reference. The instructions to the Eagle Applicant is to "complete the application". Failure to provide all requested information is not "complete". Bob White

Although the letters of recommendation are usually available at the local board of review they are vital for the council Advancement Committee and the National Board of review and accompany the application to the National Office. Since the National Board of review does not meet the scout they use these letters as a profile of the applicant. When you read the Eagle Application and the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures manual regarding the eagle application you will find that the scout is responsible for providing the contact information but the responsibility to contact and collect the letters is the District Advancement Chairman or thier agent. Hope this helps, Bob White

Two corrections, You are not an Eagle once you pass the Board of Reveiw. That is true of every other rank but NOT Eagle. Your are not an Eagle Scout until your application has been reviewed and accepted by the National Board of Review in Irving, Texas. Once accepted the date of advancemnet is set as the day of your local Board of Review. Secondly, the letters of reccomendation ARE required. It is just that the scout is not required to ask for them or collect them. However the Scout is required to submit the names of the people requested on the application including someone who will support that a scout has exhibited his Duty to God. Hope this helps clarify why you have been asked for the information. Bob White (This message has been edited by Bob White)

I'm not sure how much other people's goals will mean to you but I'll be glad to share some of mine. But they exceed 36 since I have written 4 tickets. On top of that the tickets have changed over the years and in my first course in 1980 along with the goals we had to write two ways we would incorporate each of the 11 leadership skills and what we expected the results to be. Todays ticket is completely different then that. Over the years my goals included reading the scout handbook cover to cover annually, working with the troop committee secretary and troop scribe to produce a monthly troop letter, initiating monthly PLC meetings, recruit 2 asst. scoutmasters, serve as Roundtable Commissioner for 3 years, serve on training staff, make 6 FOS presentations a year, set two evenongs a week aside to do things my wife wants to do. Lose 10 lbs, volunteer as a unit organizer, do a personal service project at my church, help 100% of the scouters I coach/counsel earn their beads, Serve as District Commissioner for three years, set a good example by wearing the scout unifom correctly at all times. I look back at things that 23 years ago were real challenges for me and yet today seem everyday habit. That was my point the things that might go into a ticket for me is dependent on where I am and what I am doing at a specific time in my life, and will have very little relevence to anyone else. Bob White(This message has been edited by Bob White)

Calumet Council

It is not the Board of Review's job to approve the project. As his advisor you are not required to excuse yourself from the Board. It would be up to the District Advancement Committee to determine the validity of the project. My understanding of the advancement rules is that all the Eagle requirements must be completed prior to the scouts 18th birthday (except for the Board of Review), unless an illness or injury kept him from planning and giving leadership to the project. Just having a poor project would not warrant an extension. If the District Advancement Committee approves the project, you would need to get the missing signatures on the application and hold the Board of review. Upon passing the board with a unanimous vote you would forward it to the Council Advancement Committee where it would get the council approval and be sent to the National Advancement Committee for final acceptance. But the more time you take the less his chance for acceptance. Remeber all signatures except for those of the Board would need to be back dated prior to his 18th birthday. This is not to say give the scout a free ride, the Dist. Advancement committee would still to to rule positively on the project, he still has to pass a board by unanimous decision and council still needs to verify MB and records. But you best get a move on. Bob White

It was cool close to 30 years ago to go camping and do all of the boyscout stuffs! That must have missed the Chicago suburbs where I was a scout in the 60s and 70s. There was just as much peer pressure on scouts as there is now. Today there are alot of fun things to do. Onehour pointed out PlayStaions, I hope that is not an endorsement for using them as a troop activity? rock climbing gyms can be fun, but that would involve knowing knots, learning and following safety rules, physical fitness, even advancement among other disciplines. But some posters here say that if a leader takes that into consideration then the event is no longer fun for funs sake. But if we don't take those things into consideration what would be accomplished? Kids could get hurt, they could be ejected from the gym, they could cause someone else injury, we would set a bad example of scouting in the community, there would be no accomplishments made, but hey at least we would be having fun for fun's sake right? That's not what the parents want for their children. If they onle wanted the kids to paly they could take them alot of other places besides scouting. The challenge we accept as scout leaders is to have a ton of fun while the methods of scouting are used and the aims of scouting are met. Kids don't need adults around to play games. There is a reason that scouting has adult unit leaders. As master of scouting methods it is the SM's responsibility to see that there is purpose to the games we play. BW

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was he missing anything other than the signatures on the application? Was the project acceptable as an Eagle project? If this was all that he was missing and the project is acceptable you and the District advancement committee could sign the paperwork and the council could explain the lapse in registration based on the hardship caused by the storm. You would not require an extension to hold the Board of Review after his 18th birthday but all the other requirements would have to be completed before then. Bob White

Ed, You quit listening to me before you fininshed my first post just because it was MY post. Perhaps you will listen to all the other posters who are trying to convince you that you are wrong on this. You certainly aren't paying any attention to what the scouting program has to offer on this topic. I'm sorry you find this so hard to comprehend but I feel more sorry for the scout who didn't get, or isn't getting, beyong your personal peeve to attain the Eagle rank. This should be about the scout satisfying the requirements in his handbook, not having to satisfy an overly controlling Scoutmaster. Good luck to you both, Bob White(This message has been edited by Bob White)

kwc57 and Eagle dad don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that scouts cant play. Certainly sitting around aroun the campfire comparing knot tying techniques is not an activity I would endorse as being a fun filled frolic. But if you have the opportunity to visit a variety of troops you will see that scouts are often sent off to play as a method of giving the adults a breakor out of frustration because they wouldn't do other activities. That is no being a responsible scout leader that is an abdication of responsibility. I think useing patrol laser tag might be a good way to practice silent scout signal IF the scouts actually learned silent scout signals prior to the activity. Capture the flag can be a great activity filled with fun and skill practice or a free for all. the difference is in the adult leadership. Sitting around the campfire singing songs and doing skits not only increases social skills, communication skills but can teach ettiquette and social appropiateness at the same time. A good leader would make sure that as the scouts had fun theyr realized that it is possible to have fun and use poor taste or bad judgement. These lessons do not have to be taught with a sledge hammer but can be taught lightly with a few well chosen moments. But the leader has to be looking for the opportunity. As I say we have their hearts and minds for a small fraction of their life we need to make the most of the little time with them that we have. I f you want to be a game leader you do not need the scouting program. We are a game with a purpose not just a game. OGE,.....and you thought this was a simple question. BW

Read it again ED, and as you do remind yourself that you cannot add to the requirements listed in the handbook.