Thanks I guess I kind of needed that info. The reason why I want to do the packet is because really I think if I had a proper Scoutmaster a while back, I would all ready be the Life rank. I have all the merit badges for Life and I only lack three Eagle required merit badges for Eagle and as for the rest of the requirements, I am the Senior Patrol Leader and will have a service project in a month. But I still have to wait 5 more months untill I can even be Life. I have been in scouts for two years now and I think if my troop's scoutmaster position would have been taken by a more qualified person, I would have been directed and have most of my requirements done. I was a second class scout for over 6 months because no one in my troop was willing to work with me on the orienteering requirement. I would have contacted somebody who would help but I really was new to the troop and the only person who would help never had the time because of his job. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I really think I should be a life scout and that is why I was kind of presistant on this. Plus the fact that I am 16 now and I really do want to make Eagle, but the deadline is creeping ever so faster. Thanks for your input. Just one last question, our troop is having a guest over to talk about the Eagle project and packet and do you think I should listen in or stay out?