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I am not sure what "different" means in post #6. The Boy Scouts of America requirement says: 9. Show experience in camping by doing the following: a. Camp a total of at least 20 nights at designated Scouting activities or events. One long-term camping experience of up to six consecutive nights may be applied toward this requirement. Sleep each night under the sky or in a tent you have pitched. If the camp provides a tent that has already been pitched, you need not pitch your own tent. b. On any of these camping experiences, you must do TWO of the following, only with proper preparation and under qualified supervision. (1) Hike up a mountain where, at some point, you are at least 1,000 feet higher in elevation from where you started. (2) Backpack, snowshoe, or cross-country ski for at least 4 miles. (3) Take a bike trip of at least 15 miles or at least four hours. (4) Take a nonmotorized trip on the water of at least four hours or 5 miles. (5) Plan and carry out an overnight snow camping experience. (6) Rappel down a rappel route of 30 feet or more.

I agree - with something.

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If you expect evil, you may see it even when it's not there.

If you have a signed Blue Card and the SM decides the MB in question cannot have been earned in fact, the MB is not listed on the advancement report and has not been earned. Guide to Advancement. 7.0.4.7 I would argue that the Advancement report merely reports advancement that has taken place and provides z council-level record of that advancement. It is also a precondition for purchasing the insignia of the rank earned. To: Council Advancement Committee I certify that the following record of advancement is correct and that it meets the standards and requirements of the Boy Scouts of America, and that merit badge counselors are registered adult members of the BSA. ____________________ ___________________________ Signed Title For Boards of Review: two additional signatures are required, plus the date the board of review was held.

Presidents who dealt with dictators or totalitarian regimes: Rosevelt Truman Eisenhower Kennedy Johnson Nixon Ford Carter Bush 1 Clinton Bush 2 Obama It's a rough neighborhood out there. People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

How does one "best" do his duty to his country? We defeated the AXIS in part by breaking their codes - reading their mail, as it were.

The polarization has been worse in the past - and it has been better. How evenly sized the groups at extreme ends of the multi-spectrum have been has also varied. What alarms and saddens me is that we are at a stage where "the other side" is viewed as not merely wrong but positively evil. "As we support right, those that oppose us mus be supporting wrong." Viewed that way, "compromise" is seeing that "our" side gets at as much as possible of what "we" want and the "other side" gets nothing. And the extremes control the story.

The back of Boys' Life used to be full of ads for what were known as "military schools" or "military academies." https://militaryschoolusa.com/military-schools-for-boys/

A crust of ice over soft mud removes boots nicely.

Slumberjack Makes sleeping bags sold under its brand and other brands SPECS Fill Weight: 5 lbs 12 oz Carry Weight: 10 lbs 1 oz Packed Size: 36 x 15 in Fits to: 6 ft 6 in Dimensions: 80 x 38 in MSRP $119.95 Actual market price: $102.00

People learn differently. Some see a picture. Some need "landmarks" to get there.

I'll check the catalogs in about a week. Some councils buy items for popcorn prizes from sources other than BSA. The knives with a blade and a spoon and/or fork are generically called "hobo knives." Do you recall the color of the hatchet handle?

A "troop meeting" is supposed to primarily be patrols doing things as patrols. Oh, occasionally there may be an "expert" whom the PLC schedules to make a presentation to multiple patrols, but that is, says BSA, a "sometimes" thing, as in: [emphasis added]†B.S.A., Scouting.org, (2016) Your Boy Scout troop is made up of patrols, with each patrol’s members sharing responsibility for the patrol’s success. B.S.A., The Boy Scout Handbook, 13th Ed. (2016) at p. 25

"High Adventure" does not need a BSA base.

Violates BSA rules wherever and by whoever done.

BSA does not seem to be into sticks beyond the consequences of failing to meet YPT certification, and BSA will decide what's measured in JTE. In a more disciplined age in my council as a boy, the "stick" was that your troop's number was not called in the council assembly during Scout Week if your Neighborhood Commissioner had failed to certify that your troop was following the Patrol Method as laid out in the PLHB 1950 ed. So your troop's flag bearer was not called forward by the Council Scribe to have the beige ribbon for that year that said "PATROL" draped over the tip of your troop's flag. When a number was skipped a hum of whispers would go around the Santa Ana College Stadium. The skipped troop's personnel would be seen examining the state of the polish on their shoes. (Repeat offenders among Scouters might defiantly seek eye contact with other unit's Scouters.) I recall being relieved that Troop 43 was always called forward (Called first, since we were the oldest troop in the council - to the frustration of Troop 1, the second-oldest troop.) When I suggested such a process to the then-current SE here a few years ago, he seemed shocked: "That could be seen as pressure." I conclude that we are limited to recognizing units for doing what they are supposed to do -- and it will be hard to even get that done.

Stosh, the Patrol Method is not promoted by JTE, or so I argue. If you believe otherwise, let's hear it. We are blue skying it here. What could be measured that fits the Patrol Method? The Patrol method is said to be the basis of Boy Scouting, including the much underutilized patrol program. Good program is reflected in good attendance. Attendance is one way to see is there is good - or at least popular - patrol program going on. What's your suggestion for how to measure "good" patrol program other than boys "voting with their feet," as BP suggested? Really? With your experience you can't see anything else going on? How about character development and citizenship training - the patrol as an experiment in democracy as Bill has it? How about the value of a small group of friends in making Scouting attractive to boys as BP and Bill have it? How about patrol-level program planning resulting in program more boy-centered? Heck, you know all this. You are trying too hard to argue. And what do you think the Leadership Development Method is about? That would be leadership development.

Attendance at patrol meetings and other activities !!!

The Patrol Method is, of course, not just about leadership. Encouraging use of the Patrol Method by an award system is just what we used to call "recognition" - a way to encourage desired behaviors. IF that is what is intended, I raise the question of how that might be done in the context of JTE, whether I or you like JTE or not. "At least 50 Patrol meetings" Bronze, Gold, or Silver?

This statement by BSA leaves no place for Scouts in their second year who are not First Class and not yet 13. Obviously goofy and another example of the reality that some at National are not as good at their jobs as others. Since the statement is clearly inaccurate, what is left is that there are many possible "kinds" of patrols - the most important factor being that they are a team of "friends." [emphasis added]

Stosh, I understand if you reject the entire concept of JTE If you don't or if you assume that it is not just going away, how can its Patrol Method metrics be improved to actually encourage use of the Patrol Method? Otherwise, bummer.

Matt, That's the ticket! Can you suggest some language?