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How did we ever achieve independence?

Did you come down gently?

Dryer sheets have helped, I am told. Since the objective is not to have a garment that absorbs moisture, I cannot see how they would hurt. An article of down bag care at backpackinglight.com recommends dryer sheets. Wet feathers stink, but it goes away when they are dry - from the experience with my 58 milsurp bag.

We are to be ready for "any old thing." Are we ready for a GRE? Will Scouters need to use their hands?

Communication on line is harder than in person -- and often safer. Irony may be humorous. Sarcasm is not intended to be humorous. Sarcasm - the use of irony to mock or convey contempt. "his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment" a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual synonyms: derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing.

Yes, I tried to post about international use (temp insig where Jambo patch goes) prior to September,1970, unofficial Boys' Life statement (right shopulder), but the site app strikes through ll almost text. Tried fiddling with it to accidentally fix, but no luck. One nice article made a good point that all manner of people at BSA can make statements about the uniform that have no effect since only National Council formally can change the uniform, and said last - in 1995 - that the flag is optional. No truly official change that anyone has found yet, Pedro, the Handbook, inspection sheets, and Scouting to the contrary not withstanding. And, as usual, no official path to ask, being just volunteers. I can tell you my council has no answer - just as perplexed as any here. Keep asking if I have asked National but can suggest no way to go that.

Sarcastic comments. Swell! [sarcastic]

Authorized circa September, 1970 in Boys' Life. But since only National Council can make official changes, ?????

OK I give up. Summary. It used to be clear - flag patch optional. Location moved to shoulder post 1980. Status as optional or "required" clear as mud due to typical BSA-quality writing.

He-man woman-haters who will have trouble with change involving females/coed is a compliment? Oh really? Relative to some shots dished out here, perhaps it is, but that characterization communicates in-and-of itself.

Not sure where you get the facts to leap to this erroneous canard. I fully supported female commissioned Scouters as a District Chair. Please note that I gave largely stayed out of the "end of the world" thread, as I went through that almost thirty years ago when we got female uniformed Scouters and I appointed several to district jobs on merit, yet here we are, as I already noted. The World did not end. I actively helped convinced National to allow our NYLT course in 2010 to have two female participants a year early so they could staff the first official year of female participants. They were great participants - both elected PL. Both great staffers the next year. Both had been great WB staffers in 2009, as so many ladies have been for years and years. I have noted that we have had female youth members for decades. I am worried about how it will be handled and to what end(s), but that is hardly a matter of gender. I happily worked for two female direct superiors as a department head my last seven years at the Phone Company. I will leave it at that since this is supposed to be a Scouting forum.

It was there by 9th (Bill Hillcourt) Edition, 3d Printing, 1980. How much before, I don't know.

Flag came later.

"Junior Leader Training," in the late 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s was a week-long outdoor leadership and Scoutcraft course based on a B.S.A. syllabus and offered by council, perhaps through a district of the council. Those learners completing the course received the hexagonal "Green Bar"/ JL [junior leader"] patch from National Supply Service. (Shown with Staff rocker.) In the 1970s, B.S.A. (and the U.S. Army) adopted a national training program for youth leaders called, successively, Troop Leader Development Conference, Troop Leader Training Conference, and Junior Leader Training Conference, These were week-long events based on teaching leadership skills (more and more modeled on the eleven leadership skills of the second version of Wood Badge) in a context of camping outside and Scoutccraft instruction. Junior Leader Training Conference is often called "JLT," inviting confusion with the old JLT - Junior Leader Training - that was as much or more Scoutcraft as it was about Patrol Method and other leadership topics. There was also an ode to Bill than ran for a couple of years starting in 1976, Brownsea Double Two - a throwback to the 1950s emphasis on Scoutcraft and Patrol Method. When Bill retied again, that course was soon withdrawn. By 1981, "Troop Leader Training" was a day (or less) course offered by the troop to its youth leaders, followed by Junior Leader Orientation Workshop (J.L.O.W.), a day-long leadership skills course offered by a district. The official syllabus for the latter was withdrawn about 2003 as it was based on the eleven leadership skills of the second version of Wood Badge that was being superseded. A replacement syllabus was promised by B.S.A. annually for a while, then crickets. That left no B.S.A. authorized training for youth leaders between the Scoutmaster (average tenure < yr.) and N.Y.L.T. One might wonder if training is all that important to B.S.A. At about that time, N.Y.L.T. was rolled out to present a week-long training course for a small minority of youth leaders that was consistent with the third version of Wood Badge, thus with Scoutcraft only incidental. "Troop Leader Training" now seems to be an unofficial name used for Introduction to Leadership Skills for Troops or some course created locally.

Yes. Few.

Yup, like WB beads.

BSA is confused. "The National Youth Trained Leader [That would be NYTL.] emblem [NYLT emblem shown.] is available for all leaders who have completed the Leader Training program appropriate to their positions. The emblem is worn on the left sleeve pocket flap. Den chiefs who have completed the den chief training conference may wear the Trained Leader emblem beneath their badge of office. " This garble while the "Trained" strip for Scouters who have completed basic training for their position is still the prescribed insignia. Trained strip with green lettering, No. 18064; [or] Trained strip with red lettering, No. 280. https://www.scouting.org/home/awards_central/trainedstrip.aspx [12/11/2017] https://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/33066_Section3.pdf In fact, the "NYLT" strip is prescribed for Scouts and Venturers only. They may also wear Trained Strip w/ green lettering, No. 280. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2015/11/05/nylt-patch-offers-new-way-scouts-venturers-show-theyre-trained/ UNLESS I have convinced BSA to use "leader" to refer exclusively to youth and Scouter to Scouters. That seems unlikely.

You do make a good point. However, the rule might be, for example, "No student shall bring a knife onto school property" - excepting other actors and excepting the school's knives. Cleveland's absolute prohibition of any knife 2.5" blade or longer was not enforced against restaurant patrons. However, it was found to violate the State constitution not for erratic enforcement but as contrary to an Ohio statute criminalizing only concealed carry of "weapons." The Cleveland ordinance did not allow consideration of whether the knife was a "weapon" vs. a tool. LEO's tell me the primary use of the ordinance historically was to pile another charge on a juvenile arrested for some other crime(s) in order to encouraged "pleading out." Uneven application of a zero tolerance rule was raised as a defense on behalf of a student in an actual case. Faculty had violated the rule and not been punished. The defense was disallowed and the student punished as provided in the rule. Our recent history has many examples of those in authority refusing to enforce the laws they are supposed to enforce. Such misfeasance does not decriminalize conduct violating the law. Try telling the judge that not all speeders are ticketed. She will not be amused, and your argument will fail. Now if you can make and support an Equal Protection argument (e.g., only Hispanic students arrested), then the law may be stricken as unconstitutional as applied. (Children per se are not a constitutionally protected class.) I am confident that BP could write a reasonable rule. But zero tolerance rules are not about reasonableness, and they get written and enforced, evenhandedly or not. That is simply reality. To be other than "zero tolerance," all persons would have their cases considered in light of the circumstances - not just one or more favored classes of persons and not erratically.

BP, your statement is correct; however, a law allowing an exercise of judgment as to whether possessing a knife on school property is a crime would not be a "zero tolerance" knife law. The whole point of such laws is that, if the triggering event of possessing a "knife" on the premises takes place, the school official can say, "I have no choice." All infractions of the rule, regardless of circumstances, especially regardless of intent, are punished - even the punishment is often not subject to adjustment to the circumstances. We do not allow a minor of 17 to enter into a contract to buy a disk player, but we expel a child of 8 for not understanding that a pastry might look like a "weapon"," triggering a zero tolerance rule. Watch pointing that finger.

SNOW!!!! Cleveland, 68.1"/yr. (2d among 50 largest cities) edges out Minneapolis, 54"/yr., 'cause Minnie is on the wrong side of the lake. Now Buffalo is just ridiculous - 94.7"/yr. Boston 43.8"/yr. So yes, "Snow Day; what's that?" So what do we do with our Geauga county seat, Chardon, Ohio, at 107"/yr? (Or 108.23" according to the city records; max 161.45" 1959-1960) "With an average annual snowfall of 107 inches (272 cm), Chardon is notable for being the snowiest city in Ohio. This is mainly due to its location on a 730-foot (223 m) ridge approximately 10 miles (16 km) inland from Lake Erie, creating the perfect conditions for orographic lift and its associated heavy snowfall when winter winds blow across the lake. In 1996, from November 9 through November 13, a storm dropped over 70 inches (178 cm) of lake-effect snow in the city over a period of six days. Governor George Voinovich declared a state of emergency as a result, and the Ohio National Guard was brought in to assist with the cleanup."

I have a picture of me sitting on the snow on the hood of the family car in Garden Grove. Tustin had 3" Silverado 6"

EmberMike, a good question. BSA never prevented use or carrying of any knife whatsoever. A couple of yeasr ago it made that point explicit rather than implicit. It was a matter of local option, so you had to ask each of the units or Councils what they meant by their variously-worded restrictive rules. I can tell you that a couple years ago, Camp Frontier assertedly prohibited fixed-blade knives "on the camp property." When I pointed out to the Camp Director that his store sold 8"-bladed fixed-blade knives (in sheaths, but not he carrying kind) and that fixed-blade knives were use in the handicraft area, he said the rule predated him and he didn't know it's reason or its purpose. He asked that we not have our Scouts "walking around with big honking knives on their belts." The PLC thought that was reasonable as it had enacted a 4" blade rule years before. Thus, 4" was neither "big" nor "honking." Very few Scouts ever carried anything other than a pocket knife as a matter of choice. Those that did always carried in a small pack with books, food, and other "possibles." Until five years ago, our council camp prohibited "sheath knives" "at camp." The author of that, and many other ZT rules was sacked. Now we have the Scout Law.

Broward County, Florida honor roll student cut a peach in half with what even the school called a "butter knife." “This is a set of a spoon, fork and knife for toddlers — one year old,” the girl’s mother, Andrea Souto, added. “It is made for children to learn how to eat properly. She’s used it since she was baby.” "11-year-old suspended for violation of school’s ‘weapons policy’ after sharing fruit with a friend." Her "case" was turned over to the State's Attorney for further criminal proceedings. PHILADELPHIA – A 10-year-old girl was placed in handcuffs and taken to a police station because she took a pair of scissors to her elementary school. School district officials said the fourth-grade student did not threaten anyone with the 8-inch shears, but violated a rule that considers scissors to be potential weapons. Administrators said they were following state law when they called police Thursday, and police said they were following department rules when they handcuffed Porsche Brown (search) and took her away in a patrol wagon. "My daughter cried and cried," said her mother, Rose Jackson. "She had no idea what she did was wrong. I think that was way too harsh." Police officers [that is, adults] decided the girl hadn't committed a crime and let her go. However, school officials suspended her for five days. Administrators will decide at a hearing whether she may return to class, or be expelled to a special disciplinary school. The scissors were discovered while students' belongings were being searched for property missing from a teacher's desk. School district officials have promised a crackdown on unruly students this year, and new policies give administrators the power to expel students for infractions as minor as violating the dress code, chronic tardiness or habitual swearing. Administrators say the steps are needed to regain control over a notoriously unruly school system, but some parents have complained that discipline has been overly harsh and that school officials have been too quick to call police about minor problems." "Josh Welch, a second-grader at Park Elementary School in Baltimore, Maryland, was suspended for two days because his teacher thought he shaped the strawberry, pre-baked toaster pastry into something resembling a gun. WBFF, the FOX affiliate in Baltimore, broke the story. Welch, an arty kid who has reportedly been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, said his goal was to turn it into a mountain, but that didn’t really materialize." We put our precious children into the power of these pathetic excuses for "teachers," a title that should be one of honor. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "There is a no more stupid, or more dangerous way of making decisions, than to put those decisions in the hands of those who pay no price for being wrong."Thomas Sowell

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