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Sorry, as I tried to explain, not very well, "Using the posted link, Wapo would not let me read more than the first paragraph of the written article unless I subscribed to their "service." I have used up my lifetime quota of "free" reading. " I meant WaPo's link ("Related Link'"), which got me, and gets me: This screen appears a few seconds after the linked text opens. WaPo is not in a position to give on-line access away, as it true of many other newspapers, such as the LA Times, in these days of newspaper death. You get to sample free for awhile, then must financially support them to get continued access. They could run an editorial "There is no such thing as free,." But that is not likely, even as they illustrate thew point.

"June 13, 2019 The unlikely start of the Boy Scout movement" Washington Post. As it happens, I looked at the date Wapo assigned to the publication linked in the OP, quoted above. Using the posted link, Wapo would not let me read more than the first paragraph of the written article unless I subscribed to their "service." I have used up my lifetime quota of "free" reading. Nor do I have access to the podcast. So you got me; I only read the date Wapo assigned, not the publication date of the story - if different. If different, when did he publish the story? As for me, I am an elderly trained historian and have spent over fifty years studying Scouting history, with access for the last twenty years to the thousands and thousands of volumes and files of Scouting literature at two Scouting museums (one in Canada) to supplement my personal lifetime collection of books and clippings. I only wished I had the "Log Book" of Troop 43. founded in 1908. which documented the founding of California Peace Scout Troop 43, eighteen years before BSA showed up in Orange County, California,. Although I read it cover-to-cover many times, memory fails over fifty years later. When I went over to the dark side, I defended newspapers in libel actions in state and federal court - not a line or work for one who needs to win - holding down the bleeding was the optimum practical outcome.. I found that beating the opposition to the story had a much higher value than accuracy. Perhaps standards have improved or are higher at WAPO. Although the flawed story generated by three WaPo reporters "on deadline" about the Covington Catholic High Schoolers "confronted" by "activists" in D.C. in january, 2019, suggests otherwise. WaPo originally reported that one Nathan Phillips, a Vietnam vet, was prevented by a Covington Catholic High School student in the group from moving past them. The newspaper had also stated Phillips had been taunted by students before the encounter, and that the students were the instigators of the incident. When the full range of sound tapes became public and weeks had passed, WaPo published: "Subsequent reporting, a student’s statement and additional video allow for a more complete assessment of what occurred, either contradicting or failing to confirm accounts provided in that story,” the Post’s note states. WaPo acknowledged that it erred in stating that Phillips, who served in the U.S. Marines, was a Vietnam War veteran. In a separate correction, WaPo also noted it incorrectly characterized a statement from Covington High School as an apology instead of a condemnation, and had falsely stated that the group of teens involved in the incident could be heard on the video chanting “Build that wall” at Phillips. I see no evidence of conspiracy in this, merely confirmation that "speed kills." Mistakes will happen. Ditto "The 2016 election is already decided. History says Hillary Clinton wins." Not a conspiracy, just feelings. We are all imperfect clay, imperfectly modeled.. The most distinguished military historian of my adult life, Keegan, put his name to a history of WW II replete with errors. One infamous illustration is labeled as showing a German machine gun team in action during the invasion of France in May-June, 1040., the problem being that the MG42 shown was not in service until 1942. Even Homer nods. Homer never got a "Pulitzer," as is, not surprisingly, true of Pulitzer himself. Opinions,. as noted, differ about what date should be assigned as Scouting's "birthday." As some here already know, Scouting for Boys was first published in installments about two weeks apart by Windsor House, London E.C., during January, February, and March, 1908. The first combined edition was, as Sentinel1947 notes, published in May, 1908. The work had been written in 1907, the year of the first Scouting program. We moved to Hillcourt's "Patrol Method, (our defining method) with youth-selected leaders in 1929-1930 - very different from BP's "Patrol System" where the "officer" (Scoutmaster) appoints the leaders. Boy Scouting as defined in BSA's Congressional charter went away this year, replaced by BSA Scouting. Take your pick of dates. The World Organization of the Scouting Movement, joined by every national Scouting organization I can find except B.S.A., celebrated the Centennial in 2007. If WaPo is "right." the WOSM must be "wrong." I didn't say WaPo was wrong. I asked a question and stated facts about when some Scout troops started up. The answer to the question is a matter of opinion, and the facts remain facts. As for jabbing the Post, they are not even in the league of BSA, which proclaimed the "100th Anniversary of Scouting" to fall in 2010. Are accusation of sarcasm and "snide" comments reasonably to be taken as "personal"? I guess not.

One can only hope.

So Scouting began in 1909? Funny. I have been with two U.S troops that started in 1908, and many Canadian troops did the same. But, then, it's the Washington Post: "The 2016 election is already decided. History says Hillary Clinton wins."

And BSA is selective in its "religious" discrimination, accepting some religious atheists for generations and rejecting religious "pagans" who are emphatically believers.

Illegal in 11 of the 13 I checked. But the burden of proof is on he who asserts the affirmative. I assert no more than I posted. Then, for what it's worth, there is BSA policy. No Personal Firearms at Scouting Activities The BSA is reinforcing its stance on handguns or other firearms at Scouting activities, with the open or concealed carry of handguns or other firearms. While various state laws may have authorized individual Scouters to legally carry or conceal firearms, they are NOT permitted to carry them while involved in Scouting activities outside of the shooting sports program. This applies to all persons involved in the activity, as the activity should be under the control of an appropriate Scouter. This has not changed. Review the BSA policy in the Guide to Safe Scouting in both the Shooting Sports section and the unauthorized activity listing that states, “Except for law enforcement officers required to carry firearms within their jurisdictions, firearms shall not be brought on camping, hiking, backpacking, or other Scouting activities except for those specifically planned for target shooting under supervision of a currently certified BSA national shooting sports director or National Rifle Association firearms instructor.”

Rubber chicken is a great wilderness survival asset. Stone chicken not so much.

Not to argue with your logic, but in Ohio it is a crime to have a loaded firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle unless you have, illogically, a concealed handgun permit. Ohio Rev. Code § 2923.16(B). From what i find on line: Ditto Maine Ditto Oklahoma Ditto California except in certain areas outside municipalities. Ditto Wisconsin Ditto Connecticut except for interstate transportation across the state Ditto New Jersey with some complications Ditto new York, except for long-barreled long arms "in certain hunting scenarios" outside NYC. Ditto in PA Ditto in Illinois Ditto in indiana Ditto Michican OK in Texas if longarm or concealed handgun. (contrary to Florida which requires concealment in a secure container) OK in Montana So who told you its legal in "most states"?

Good point. If First Amendment issues belong in forum other than "Issue and Politics, I'm sure our faithful mods can and will move it.

PA National Guard Allows Scout Troop Tour After Letter From Legal Groups / WDAC Greg Barton June 20, 2019 05:32 am "ANNVILLE – Lebanon County’s Fort Indiantown Gap has agreed to allow a Pennsylvania-based Trail Life USA scouting troop to tour the facility after the Independence Law Center and First Liberty Institute sent a letter urging that the tour be allowed. Recently, the National Guard denied a request by the troop to tour the facility because the group is “a Christian scouting organization,” even though other scouting, civic, and youth groups have been allowed to tour and use the facilities. In a response to the letter, the Guard agreed that religious groups should be treated the same as any other civic organization. Independence Law Center Senior Counsel Jeremy Samek said they are grateful that the Guard has chosen to open its doors to the Trail Life troop.".

"A National Guard facility in Pennsylvania refused to allow a Trail Life USA scouting troop to tour their facility because of the group’s religious affiliation. The Fort Indiantown Gap National Guard facility regularly hosts tours for Boy Scout troops and other organizations, but the Trailmen were told they could not participate because they belonged to a Christian scouting organization. . . . The National Guard’s public affairs office did not return multiple inquiries seeking comment. . . . The ordeal began in February when Troop PA-2717 were initially told they could tour the facility. In April, a staff sergeant called the troop master and said the tour had been denied because of the group’s religious affiliation. The idea that Christian boys would be banned strictly because of their religious beliefs is not only ludicrous, but it’s also illegal. And that’s why the Trail Life troop got in touch with First Liberty Institute and the Independence Law Center, two organizations that specialize in religious liberty cases. “Fort Indiantown Gap’s denial of access to the base facilities, which are open to other civic, fraternal, and youth organizations and for youth activities, constitutes viewpoint discrimination,” the law firms wrote in a letter to the National Guard. The attorneys said the National Guard’s decision to ban the Christian scouting group is “discriminatory and unconstitutional.” John Stemberger, the chairman of the Trail Life USA board, said told the "Todd Starnes Radio Show" that it’s disheartening that a “federal institution like the Army is buying into this leftist idea that faith has to be excluded from the public square.” “It’s sad that an institution of our society is treating faith like it is some kind of bacteria or virus that needs to be exterminated from secular society,” Stemberger told me. “We need faith integrated with society.” The good news is that once First Liberty Institute and the Independence Law Center got involved, the National Guard quickly backed down and rescinded the ban on the Trailmen. “We are grateful that the Guard has chosen to open its doors to the Trail Life troop,” ILC attorney Jeremy Samek said in a statement. “The boys from Trail Life USA’s troop deserve to be treated fairly and equally. I know they are excited to get the opportunity to interact with those who defend our freedom.” https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/todd-starnes-trail-life-national-guard-pennsylvania

THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS LEGAL ADVICE. IT IS MERELY INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO CAN USE GOOGLE. https://www.kappanonline.org/underwood-under-law-student-privacy-search/ https://www.illinoislegalaid.org/legal-information/are-locker-or-strip-searches-public-schools-legal https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/education-law/students-have-privacy-rights-under-the-fourth-amendment.html "T.L.O.’s case was at the heart of the case brought by then-13- year-old Savana Redding, who was strip-searched down to her underwear by officials at her middle school who suspected that she was hiding over-the-counter ibuprofen tablets. Savana sued her school district, claiming unreasonable search and seizure, and her case went all the way to the Supreme Court. In the case of Safford Unified School District v. Redding—25 years after the T.L.O. case—the Supreme Court found that Savana’s rights had, in fact, been violated and stated that a search by a school must not be “excessively intrusive in light of the age and sex of the student and the nature of the infraction.” Given that 13-year-old Savana was accused of having an over-the-counter medication, forcing her to strip was excessively intrusive and therefore unreasonable. In an age in which school shootings are an unfortunate occurrence and drugs on high school grounds are common, no court has said that schools are prohibited from searching students—even strip-searching students—particularly in cases that involve the suspicion of weapons or contraband on the school grounds. If you look at your district’s policy, it will likely contain an explanation of when and how it will conduct searches. As for the Canadian high school that conducted a strip-search after a math exam to find a cell phone, the facts simply don’t add up under American constitutional law to find that such a search would be considered reasonable." National Constitution Center at https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/when-does-a-public-school-have-the-right-to-search-its-students

For what its worth in this declining age: “Trust should be the basis for all our moral training.” BP

Back eons ago when OA was an elite and exclusive honor society Scouts were very eager to be members and seen as active members. In my area it was nicknamed the "SPL and Eagle Club," an exaggeration but not by much (i was a Life PL within a few weeks of my Eagle Board). You could not be a member in 298 unless the top adult in your unit certified in writing that you were active in your unit. Busy people are always those to look to if you want things done. Since "OA for anyone" has worked so well, let's make it easier to receive (forget earn) Brotherhood. We compete for our "customers' " time. Competent leadership would help. "Free" "party favors" will ultimately fail.

"4.. Getting Troop Committee support SPL presents written Annual Plan to Troop Committee and asks them to support plan. SM attends same meeting and asks the Committee to support the Plan. Because the youth leaders are to plan, the Troop Committee gives them the benefit of the doubt."

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It's a very cool name - because they liked it.

It was once the most prestigious group of any size within Scouting - the SPL/Silver Award/Eagle Scout Club. Your heart pounded as the Tap Out Team worked its way slowly towards where you stood in line at the campfire - to the beat of a drum. "Thump, thumpo, thump" - Gary got it! Is someone behind me, silently holding his hand over MY head?! Could I be an Arrowman? Leadership in Service.

The longest journey begins with a single step. Let the Scouts form patrols: [A "patrol" in Scouting is . . . a small, largely self-selected team of friends who, under the leadership of a Scout they elect, experience a Scouting program they collectively plan and, through that leader as their representative, help lead the troop." [emphasis added] "Why do boys want to join Scouting? To develop their fitness, citizenship, and character? To give adults a smoothly-running organization? “ ‘You set up a structure—six to eight Scouts—and let them figure it out,’ he says. ‘Boys are going to want to stick together if you … use their friendships to put together a team.’ ” B.S.A., Scouting (May-June 2012)(quoting child psychologist Dr. Brett Laursen ) “Again, although the Scoutmaster may often advise with the Patrol leader and his Patrol concerning new recruits, the admission of a new boy to the Patrol should be with the approval of the Patrol members.” Hillcourt, William, Scouting, September, 1930 at p. 244 [emphasis added] “In a Troop in which the boys are shuffled together at frequent intervals and dealt out into new Patrols according to the whim of the Scoutmaster, there obviously can be little opportunity for the development of Patrol morale and Patrol traditions.” Hillcourt, William, The Patrol Method, B.S.A. (1930) at p. 10. “Patrol spirit is the glue that holds the patrol together and keeps it going. Building patrol spirit takes time, and because it is shaped by a patrol's experiences—good and bad.” BSA Scouting.org, 2018

Then raise, not lower, the membership requirements.

Just the problem. It's not "elite." Not much of an "honor."

Payroll.

Yup. Making achievement easier always works.😉

The "uniform" was once uniform That went away years ago. Now it's just a clothing brand. The kids can tell who is wearing the expensive model and who the cheapie across the width of a good-size room.

"Appropriate" is the the section of the Theft statute that you omitted: 2913.01(C) (3) - quoted verbatim in my quotation of the law review article - written when I was there. So. once more with feeling: "C) 'Deprive' means to do any of the following: ...(3) Accept, use, or appropriate money, property, or services, with purpose not to give proper consideration in return for the money, property, or services, and without reasonable justification or excuse for not giving proper consideration." I cited the antique definition of "Larceny" to show the antique nature of the narrow definition of "Deprive" that went away in 1968 with that exception. Stuff changes.