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Other than safety, your primary job is teaching leadership to your leaders. Follow-up or checking is part of the planing process. As suggested, asking the SPL if he has checked is an othodox part of your job. (Questions are a GREAT tool.) "Have the PL assign another patrol member go with the Grubmaster to shop for food." OR Ask the SPL if the PL might assign more than one person ( a food committee) to that task. Cooking contests? Ever since my old troop started an Iron Chef competition, there have been no cooking problems. (Leaders rule in and out different ingredients. Ramen somehow never made it in.) Games are good.

The Eagle Badge is a boy's "rank" badge. Only boys wore it when I entered Scouting in 1954, although adults could still earn Eagle back then. I left Scouting for a time. When I got back in 1981 only boys could earn Eagle, and the Eagle Badge was still a boy's insignia. Since at least 1981, the rule, practice and understanding has been that adult Eagles wear the knot and, on "formal Eagle occasions," may wear the medal. I have never, in forty-five years in Scouting seen an adult wear the boy's Eagle Badge. You are, of course, free to violate all the rules of Scouting, including the Law (Obedient) that you wish. People have been breaking rules for millennia, There will likely be consequence of one kind or another.

Outside of council fund-raising events, you MAY raise funds any way the council approves. Here's the form to apply for permission. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34427.pdf The guide to unit fund-raising. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/510-274.pdf

I think Fehler is talking about a Council-School District agreement.

Many BSA sites have attributed a quote about the "patrol method" to BP, who never used that term. The world is full of incorrectly attributed or total imaginary quotes. BP certainly would have agreed with the sentiment, both of the "patrol method" quote and "fun with a purpose" quote. Big woop.

Except for trivial infringements, if a trademark holder fails to defend its mark against unauthorized use, its property right in the mark, if any, is voidable. Perhaps B.S.A. is simply not looking for additional fights now.

As scoutgripper says, training exists http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/18-125.pdf but is not required except for YPT.

OK, found this pretty quickly: Scouting 1956 1998 Related is Bill's statement in the 1936 Handbook for Scoutmasters: Found many references to BP saying "fun with a purpose" or "game with a purpose," just can't find an actual document where he actually said either, althugh you can find the substance in what he did say. (I accidently refound this from BP's Lessons From the Varsity of Life. Well worth remembering given some of the discussions here about changing or adding to Scouting methods: )

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So how far back can one document B.S.A. using "Fun with a purpose"? I recall it from my youth. Off to Google.

skeptic, rather than guess what you were trying to say, please help by clarifying your last post. Thank you.

The original 1908 edition did not include "through woodcraft." So far, the earliest edition with those words added I can find is 1920. Editions subsequent to 1920 have - or do not have - "through woodcraft." Never noticed that before. Thank you. Another mystery. The "Boy's Edition" had no subtitle.

I asked the Advancement Team at Corporate, and I was told meeting in a public library was fine. That was the same aqnswer I had received from district and council advancement chairs. The language is being interpreted in light of its purpose.

While, as in many things, B.S.A. is not always consistent, B.S.A. does say that a patrol is a group of "friends." That statementy is in the grand tradition of BP and Bill. Who decides who your "friends" are? End of discussion. Stosh, meschen, and fred have it absolutely right.

No, a. B.S.A. supporrts the religious awards of Buddhists, Hindus, and other religions that lack a Christian sort of "God." - or any God at all. b. I was mugged at knifepoint once in a city. Does that mean every city endorses mugging? c. We have not seen the actual laqnguage yet. Plenty of time to "view with alarm" when you know what is to be viewed

The OP does not mention Scoutmaster Conferences. For as long as B.S.A. has published rank requirements, living by the Oath and Law - "Scout Spirit" - have been topics for adults reviewing advancement and have said to be required. Exactly what that has ever meant has not been specified. More recently, the guidelines for Boards of Review have specifically prohibited asking a Scout if he "believes in God." We do know that "Duty to God" is satisfied by participating in religions that do not recognize a God in the Christian, Jewish, or Muslim sense. We don't know what exactly the changes will be.

The "old program." We are on the third version now. You cannot imagine the outrage when the second version replaced the "old program." End of the world. And, really, that was the big change - over forty years ago. Of the three, I liked version 2 the best - less abstract than version 3.

I think there are other choices. Although I prefer "leader" to refer to Scouts, that is not to say that a Scotuer is not a leader. One definition of leadership is the ability to convince the group that they want to do the job. I have found many Scouters who are able to influence the leaders in their troop. Are the Scouts interested in Wilderness Survival? First Aid. Are they interested in any of the outdoor Merit Bdages? First Aid. And, since you mention it, are they interested in climbing? First Aid. Are you a Scout teaching First Aid? Powerful invcentive. What event will your troop run at the Camporee or Klondike? Realy realistic First Aid? Spurting blood. Broken bones. Moans and screams. If you convince yourself that there are only bad choices, . . . .

I strenuously agree. I meant that to apply to Scout Skills beyond kniots - like first aid. Anything can be made into a game or contest and, thereby, encourage retention of learning.

Seems to me that we have an obligation, on our honor, to stay current on life-saving skills.

Ideally, the Scout gets on the Internet or finds some other source and figures it out himself. But , personally, I don't think its a sin if he uses human resources, in the form of adults, to learn what he needs to learn in order to teach. Teaching is a useful skill for a leader and adults primary responsibility, after safety, is training leaders - or at least that's what my Position Card. says.

If adults do it right, it is not intrusion. So long as we remember, as has been said, that it's not the destination; it's the journey that is important.. It's easy to forget the objective and focus on the tools, such as learning knots.

Generally, I sure wish people, including me, didn't forget things once learned, but we do. So if a Scout remains, for example, familiar with his knots, that is usually because the unit program causes him to keep using those knots. So Knot Clubs, knot contests, and removing those slider gadgets from tent ropes, not retesting under the guise of Scoutmaster Conference.