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The new Scoutmaster...Specific syllabus was originally due in Spring, 2014.

Trying to figure out Revenant/ Duty to God based on the whole body of BSA statements, including the one about trees as a higher power, leads only to madness. The effort not to offend drives lack of clarity as a practice, if not a policy. That ought to be OK with those who want inclusiveness. If clarity is foolish as a practical matter, consistency is foolish, and you know about foolish consistency. Not that I believe you have any genuine interest in understanding what BSA is about.

Twocubdad, we are still waiting for the syllabus for the district-level youth leader training, the old syllabus having been recalled as it did not fit the third version of Wood Badge (the eleven "leadership skills" were now passe.) Until recently, the Baloo and OWl syllabi were full of obsolete material - years out of date. We may not be good, but at least we're slow

Since the United States Supreme Court has not been crystal clear, I certainly can be incorrect - if not now, later.

Unlike the experts here, I have no personal knowledge, and have said so. I have simply quoted various persons speaking as if they knew from government, the UN, and the the liberal media. If you define "no go" in a given way, I am sure there are no such places. Further, I am relatively sure that, as with many human affairs, areas with no effective policing are not the result of anything as simple as religion or ethnicity. However "We have no 'no go zones' just zones where practical problems prevent policing" is not much of an answer for the people who find themselves in such places, most typically the inhabitants.

Not lately. MB Colleges have great support. As if the villagers and farm folk cheer on Dr. Frankenstein as opposed to storming the castle with pitchforks and torches. He or she would only act on delegated authority from the Council. No reason to wait. BSA has a long-standing institutional distrust of volunteers from the time of Darth Vader. Still, the SM is the most powerful volunteer in practice. All manner of one-of-a-kind programs run on for years. Troop n161 had a continental dinner, with wine, for Scouts who turned 14 - until it appeared in a feature in American Heritage. Just try being an SA trying to get boy leadership in a firmly adult-method troop. You know. Where I am now. But in three years there has been progress. Now it's adults interfering. Before, there was nothing to interfere with. We got away from the MB mill when I copied the SM on the statement from Corporate that said MB's not earned by individual testing do not count for any purpose. He saw this as a threat to our Eagle factory and away we went. First, find the button. Then push. Less than 25% of the units in my two councils have Unit Commissioners on paper. As Lord Salisbury said about carpet bombing of German civilians, "We do not have to take the Devil as our model."

Like the Bible, BSA can be quoted on many sides of the issue. It has no vested interest in clarity. In application, I have never heard of any Scout failing a B of R because he did not follow the religion of his parents. Have you? Has anyone? If not, surely you have better darts to throw. Or perhaps not?

"It was only . . . . ." Of course, how any human interaction takes place is important to how "well" it goes. I could have done much better about dealing with the SM who was supplying beer to his kid staff at a Klondike, but I guess I can live with his dislike I should have taken time to think through how the conversation was likely to go.

You can get copies of old Scouting books on eBay pretty cheap (mind the condition and reputation of the seller). Those interested in Scouting usually find the old books interesting and useful. If the appreciating is presented by the Cubs, it will tap into the consideration that scouterldr raises .

Isabel, learn how to edit on Wicki, and fix the article - every day if necessary. You can use "cut" and paste" to have the accurate language and coding ready to reinsert. As Scoutldr says, the public runs it, and the public includes some bad people. Political correctness applies to Scouting. In 2010 we celebrated the "100th anniversary of Scouting in the United States" -- 102 years after my troop began meeting (We have contemporary newspaper clippings and the original 1908 UK charter for the troop.) Seems there were 100's of troop and patrols meeting as part of over a dozen Scouting organizations pre BSA, but some feel the need to rewrite history to better fit the narrative they support. Oddly, the troop in which I Scouted as a boy also started in 1908 as a Peace Troop and met for almost twenty years before BSA finally got stable in Orange County, California. Please be sure you are posting reality and not merely family tradition. I inherited a "pistol carried in the [uS] Civil War" by a relative, only to find that the revolver (as it was) was manufactured 13 years after the war was over and the relative born in 1860, far too young to have fought in the war. 0___0 SOURCE: Australian Dictionary of Biography http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/snow...methurst-11733 Re memorial (first Scouting in Queensland) http://monumentaustralia.org.au/them...smethurst-snow

The old syllabus was awful. Changes were supposed to be made years ago. There were leadership changes at Corporate. At least we're off the dime. The section on the Patrol Method is better but sad. Does not even have the objective of defining or explaining the Patrol Method - and it does not.

Brother, if you think that any one side, politically speaking, has a monopoly on spin, selective editing, and outright invention, stay off Google or you'll be stunned. Anyone who thinks he's better than the common run of humanity has no problem casting loose the ties of objective reality in service of "the greater truth." Both sides, for example, speak of "cutting spending" when the reality, at best, is a reduction in the rate of increase in spending.

dc, it is not at all clear that US. citizenship is a requirement for recognition and/or protection by the U.S. Government of inalienable rights said to be derived from God. Nor is it at all clear that only those rights exercised on U.S. soil are so recognized or protected. I think, to the contrary, there is a good body of law saying that the government may not, for example, arrest foreign nationals who merely demonstrate against the government, much less machine-gun them.

Unless BSA's discrimination against gay adults is unlawful, it is not "invidious" under the law. So far as I know, BSA's discrimination is lawful. Until it's unlawful, "invidious" is just someone(s) saying they don't like it. As far as I know, as noted above, the right guaranteed by the Constitution does not apply solely to churches Not sure if that matters to your argument.

I know that BSA bans gay adults. I had no idea they had a "bias towards" celibate adults as role models as well. 0___0 There are logical inconsistencies in "civil rights" laws. As a result, several such laws have been found unconstitutional. The best I can figure, some racial and sexual discrimination is OK and some is not, and we will be told after the fact. Further, the "dispositive" ruling may change over time. What this has to do with "right and wrong" is unclear to me, but many will chip in to give their $ .02. I am not aware of a legally meaningful distinction between "institutional" discrimination and "constitutional" discrimination. Never tried that argument in court. Help? Who BSA "serves" is no longer an issue, except for those who dissent from BSA's decision to serve gay youth.

"Your example speaks so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying."

If the Scouter in question will be continuing on the Boy Scout side, that would open up possibilities.

I dunno. Tell me about Birmingham? Is it in the "Midlands"? Who is this "Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of the Constabulary" who said in January, 2014: "There are some communities born under other skies who will not involve the police at all. I am reluctant to name the communities in question, but there are communities from other cultures who would prefer to police themselves. There are cities in the Midlands where the police never go because they are never called. They never hear of any trouble because the community deals with that on its own. It’s not that the police are afraid to go into these areas or don’t want to go into those areas,’ he said. ‘But if the police don’t get calls for help then, of course, they won’t know what’s going on. It could be anything. [Honour killings] are the most extreme case." I don't even know what a Chief Inspector of the Constabulary is, but he is unlikely to be an American politician or to work for Fox. This story was carried, with minor variation by the Times, Express, Daily Mail, Mirror and Telegraph in February, 2012. Not to mention the Huffington Post. (Will they now apologize?) "British cities have lawless ‘no-go areas’ comparable with the most dangerous parts of Brazil, Mexico and the U.S., according to a United Nations drugs chief. Professor Hamid Ghodse claimed Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester are on a par with the drug and murder capitals of the world. [He said: " "Examples are in Brazil, Mexico, in the United States, in the UK, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, and therefore it is no good to have only law enforcement, which always shows it does not succeed." ] The president of the International Narcotics Control Board said the police had lost control of parts of these cities, and drugs gangs had taken over." I know that this UN official was Muslim and is dead now, but he too was probably not a Fox employee.

In our area children "of tender years" are regularly given back to physically abusive parents and end up dead. Woops!

I have no personal knowledge about so-called "no go" zones - anywhere. How do we know they do not exist? Because politicians deny they exist? It's not just the right that refers to no go zones, and they may exist. Wicki: "The Washington Post reported that CNN reported about "No-go zones" on January 9, 2015 (CNN host Chris Cuomo); on "751 ‘no-go zones’ in France" on the same date on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360° show, with Cooper saying "We’ve seen that in Sweden, obviously in England, here in France and as one of the guests earlier was talking about, there are kind of ‘no-go zones’ where police don’t even really go into and again it does cut both ways." CNN continued reporting on no-go zones on January 10.[10] CNN was criticized for these comments.[11] CNN's Anderson Cooper later apologised on screen for having critiziced others while it itself numerous times reported about no-go zones in Europe.[12][13]" CNN: "If you look at Sweden there are 55 ‘no-go zones’ there. You know, firefighters or ambulance drivers go in there and they’re attacked. Their vehicles are lit on fire, their tires are slashed, and the Europeans have not pushed back against this." New York Times, December 12, 2005: "Branded by France's police intelligence agency as one of the country's 150 "no go zones," where police officers should enter only with major reinforcements, La Courneuve was caught up in the violence in which rioters torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the police." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/12/in...anted=all&_r=0 New republic, Time, and AP have also reported on "no go zones" in Europe. Snopes makes a fine distinction, sans différence: "[some] confound the idea in France of a special economic zone with the problem of the cités, that is, regions in the urban periphery of French cities, that are populated by an underclass consisting largely of immigrants from Muslim countries. Comparable to the "projects" in the United States or "housing estates" in Great Britain, the relationship between the inhabitants of the cités and the police is often adversarial. For example, in a form of protest that has become a sort of annual tradition, 940 cars were set on fire this past New Year's Eve, primarily in the vicinity of the cités. Most French people would consider that police authority is, at best, tenuous in the cités and the police exercise extreme caution performing their duties there. As police would in the US in housing projects, or, these days, in Ferguson, Missouri. French law applies everywhere in France, including the cités, whatever practical obstacles may exist to its application."][emphasis added] So, if we do not count areas where "practical obstacles" prevent the application of national law, there are no "no go zones." OK Got it.

Oh yes. Wazamatter me? Orthodox.not Reform. Not even all Conservative these days (local option).

"Teach your children well." Every once and a while, things turn out, prejudice-wise,despite the best bad efforts of parents When I became an SM for the second time, I inherited an all-White troop in a decidedly diverse community. When a Japanese Scout joined (dad was doing a rotation at Cleveland Clinic) certan parents acted oddly.("Why he [doctor's kid] hardly speaks English.") When two Black kids joined, within two months those three families pulled a total of five kids out of the troop. They told me in a letter that the safety of their children required their action. One of the Black kids ("Juan"), they told me, was a murderer. When I contacted the high school and the police, I was not surprised to find that neither of the newcomers had any criminal record. The offended parents didn't want to be confused with facts.. Twenty years later, I met one of the "pulled," now in his mid-thirties, Donald. He was a social worker. I had to ask, and no, Mom and Dad were not happy with his career path. Juan, it seems had intervened on his behalf at a Camporee when someone was bullying this young man. For him, the facts had an impact all his parents' worst efforts could not overcome. One can hope.

Numerous state rules have been overturned by federal courts. Under Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution, state law is subordinate to the Constitution and to federal law enacted in accordance with the Constitution. The States' Rights folks had their go at sustaining your point of view, and lost rather soundly by 1865. As to who has "designed" the Scouting program used by the LDS Church, that would be, to a significant extent, the LDS Church. It is the youth program of the church, not a program of which it merely approves. It is not the same as Boy Scouting for, say, Methodists. As to "discriminatory organisation." that would include the Catholic Church and Reformed Judaism, both of which discriminate against not merely gays but females as well.