SR540Beaver

While Boy Scouting and Venturing are under one umbrella organization and they share a common pupose and mission, they operate under totally different models. While there is room for some joint activities, they need to have their own identity, culture and traditions. One issue I've seen in the past was having scouts who were members of both the troop and crew. The troop and crew has a joint campout. What does the dual registered boy do? Does he camp with his patrol which depends on him as part of the team or does he camp with his crew that has a more individual flare? Or are you going to have the crew function as patrol(s) of the troop for the weekend and if so, then you aren't venturing are you?

resqman, Gleaned from the interwebs. We mere mortals write resumes. Academics employee CV's as a form of an intellectual p*ssing match to prove who is more worthy. j/k The primary differences between a resume and a curriculum vitae (CV) are the length, what is included and what each is used for. A resume is a one or two page summary of your skills, experience and education. While a resume is brief and concise - no more than a page or two, a curriculum vitae is a longer (at least two page) and more detailed synopsis. A curriculum vitae includes a summary of your educational and academic backgrounds as well as teaching and research experience, publications, presentations, awards, honors, affiliations and other details. In Europe, the Middle East, Africa, or Asia, employers may expect to receive a curriculum vitae. In the United States, a curriculum vitae is used primarily when applying for academic, education, scientific or research positions. It is also applicable when applying for fellowships or grants.

Woapalanne beat me to it. I was in the audience and Mike was a huge hit at Jamboree. Unlike Mazucka who used an imposter to rappel onto the stage behind a panel where he popped out, Mike rode the bucket of a frontend loader to the edge of the stage and stepped off. Age has nothing to do with connecting with youth and winning respect. If that were the case, Scouting would have died 100 years ago.

Acco40: - "As for myself, if I saw that a young man that I was interviewing for a prospective entry level engineering position fresh out of college had earned Eagle - it would be a conversation starter that I could use to determine how well spoken and how well the applicant's communication capabilities were." I've already related in the linked thread earlier about how my son's Eagle played into his upcoming internship with BP. I have a second story. I've been fortunate in that my son has always been a good kid and a good student. He never got into trouble with his teachers or sent to the principal's office.....except one time. Back around 9th grade, he had left his notebook in a classroom rather than taking it to his locker. Someone playing a prank on him picked it up and wrote vvulgarities all over and inside the notebook. It got sent to the office and the vice-principal for 9th grade sent for my son. He had no idea what he was being called to the office for. He was asked if this was his notebook? Yes sir. Do you have any idea why I sent for you? No sir. Did you do this? With a sincerely shocked look on his face, NO SIR! The principal could tell by his reaction that he didn't do it. Since my son was never in the office, the principal took a little time to have a conversation with him and get to know him. After a few minutes, he asks, "tell me what kind of activities you are involved in outside of school?" My son starts telling him the things he did and says Boy Scouts. The principal stopped him and said, "that's it! By the way you carry yourself, I knew there was something in your life that makes that difference." Turns out, this principal was a life scout and arrowman just like my son was and he had never completed his Eagle project. Before my son left his office, they discussed possible Eagle projects that could be done at the school and the principal secured a promise from my son that he would earn his Eagle some day, which he did do. Scouting even without earning Eagle is a great benefit to a young man. If he crosses over at 10.5 and age out at 18, stop and think about how much leadership opportunities he has had, how many SM conferences and BOR's he has done. He's learned about citizenship, ethics and duty. The confidence that all of thos experiences bring to the table is something that usually shines thru to an employer, whether they are aware the person was a scout/eagle or not.

I do know from attending NYLT Course Directors Conference and talking to scouters from all over the Southern Region, the laws differ from state to state. I believe it was folks from Texas who told me that state law prohibits any adults at summer camp except for registered and background checked adults. It's been well over a year since I attended the conference, so I could have that wrong. But the point is that in some places, if your kid is doing activities with an organization like scouts, sports camp, church camp, etc., mom and pop can't just tag along. Documented members of the organization are the only folks who can go. I remember the conversation in general because there were many of us in the room with our mouths hanging open at the description of what some states require. I think the "scout parent" position probably grew out of a need based on differeing laws around the country.

WasE61 - "We came to the conclusion that on your generic college and employment application, stating BSA is now risky at best. If the reviewer is gay or lesbian, or a non-believer, or an ethnic minority; I think there is a high probability that the application is going to get circular filed." I hope that isn't the case. The black, hispanic, asian and indian kids I've worked with in scouting will be sorely disappointed that their peers tossed an application due to a hard earned personal accomplishment. but then like qwazse said, if some bigot wants to do that, it probably isn't the kind of person they would want to work for anyway.

My thread from a month or two back called, "The Benefit of Being a Scout and Eagle". http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=368348#id_368348(This message has been edited by sr540beaver)

qwazse, If memory serves correctly, you can't.....or shouldn't allow.....double dipping. Rank requirements and merit badge requirements are to be done seperately, even if it is the same subject like first aid.

qwazse, Color me dumb, because I guess I don't get what you are driving at. The BSA partners with many groups. Many folks here have lamented the agreement with AHG as a bad and unprecedented thing. It isn't. While the BSA website is constantly changing and harder than heck to search, here is a listing I found on a Regional Venturing site that was originally pulled from the BSA website. The link no longer takes you there, but the individual links still get you to the documents stored on the BSA filestore. http://www.crventuring.org/Membership/Memorandums_of_Understanding/

Tell him to get with the times, wear a Buff and be the most hip troop in the council. http://www.buffusa.com/sports/collections/filter/hiking http://www.buffusa.com/wear/ways_to_wear_a_buff http://www.buffwear.com/ I just concluded an NYLT as Course Director and this is what I really wanted to supply the participants with instead of a hat like our WB courses. The buffs were too costly for our budget and we went with different colored bandanas instead. I own two buffs and love them. One is a 2010 Jambo buff and the other has the Appalachian Trail map printed on it that I won from a Scouting magazine drawing.(This message has been edited by sr540beaver)

qwazse, You do realize that other denominations have had similar programs to the Baptist Men for years don't you? Why do you assume they won't fit under the tent? http://www.gcumm.org/ministries/scouting/specialist.html http://www.nlas.org/ http://www.presbyterianscouters.org/ http://www.nccs-bsa.org/

It's just a hunch with nothing substantial to back it up, but I think we are headed towards a coed program top to bottom. I think Cubs, Boy Scouts and Venturing will be pulled under a common umbrella called Scouting. Since the Cub age will be coed, it will absorb those girls currently in AHG and it will be sundowned as a program due to attrition. Small changes now in preparation for big changes down the road.

I don't know that I'd call the BPSA a viable alternative. They have about a dozen troops nationwide.

I don't know that I'd call the BPSA a viable alternative. They have about a dozen troops nationwide.

Packsaddle, From the OT. Jeremiah 31:29 - "In those days people will no longer say, The parents have eaten sour grapes, and the childrens teeth are set on edge. Jeremiah 31:30 Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapestheir own teeth will be set on edge. The sin belongs to the sinner, not their decendants.

I never displaced or slaughtered Native Americans or enslaved Africans and I will......and should not be held accountable for the actions of those who came before me. Likewise with sexual abuse in Scouting. The sin is owned by the person who committed it, not by those who come after and were not involved in previous actions.

Nike, I assume you are aware that the BSA partners with many organizations for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the "survival" of one or the other? We partner with the UN's Nothing But Nets, Homeland Security, Red Cross, Bug Bam and until recently, Major League Soccer. BSA partnerships are nothing new.

Baden P, I would assume that someone who was at one time a scouting professional would know that a charter can indeed dicate the religious activities of their unit. You are correct that many don't, but they certainly can. They can limit the troop membership to only the members of their church and use it as a ministry within the church just as they would the choir. They can even open it up to non-church members and still require that an evangelical message be delivered at each campout complete with an alter call if they wish. Now, they probably won't end up with a very large troop with members outside of their particular brand of beliefs, but it could legitimately happen. The "BSA" is nonsectarian in their approach. The organizations they grant charters to are not limited to being nonsectarian.

Beavah, I was unaware that Peter, Paul or Andrew attended church in the US in the 20th century. My bad. Tampa, that hurt my eyes!

You got that right Calico. That was back in a day when people dressed up to go to a nice dinner or church instead of wearing t-shirts and pajama bottoms.

"I don't get the connection between having Cub Scouts and Venturers say the Scout Oath, and allowing females to be Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts. But maybe that is the subject for another thread." Because it appears they are moving towards a single unified program model.

NJCub, What I know is that no one holds a gun to anyone's head and forces them to join BSA or AHG. It is an individual decision based on many factors. What I also know is that the majority of BSA units are chartered by Christian churches. The fact that one program is nonsecterian in it's approach and the other isn't, doesn't mean that they don't have some common goals and aims that can make working together advantageous to both groups.....except to people who object to religion in general and Christianity in particular. I don't see anyone here going out and creating a nonsectarian female "companion" program to the BSA to counter AHG. Obviously the GSUSA isn't it. Besides, what with the changes coming down the pike with doing away with the Venturing and Cub oaths and laws and adopting the Boy Scouts, I think it is only a matter of a few years before we see a coed program top to bottom and that will leave AHG out of the picture.

Wow! I've never understood the actual fear so many people have of Christianity. My wife's parents divorced when she was 17. She went to live with her dad and her little brother and sister went to live with their mom. My wife and her dad continued going to church. My mother-in-law and the other two children quit going. Church is foreign to my sister and brother-in-law. My sister-in-law was interested in putting her son in Cubs when he was old enough, but she feared that they would "cram" religion down his throat. I laughed when she asked me about it and explained the BSA's religious principles to her and said that any religious observance would vary from unit to unit. Since most of our Cub Packs were chartered to schools instead of churches at that time, probably the most "religion" he would get would be saying grace before a meal. Given the fear of religion that some people perceive in the BSA, I can understand why they are terrified of AHG. Well, actually I can't.

Baden P, The Royal Rangers are a program of the Assembly of God denomination and was founded in 1962. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rangers http://royalrangers.com/

Excellent post Twocubdad! Each time I put on my beads, I think of the man who was my basball coack in first grade, Cubmaster and youth sponsor of my church youth group when I was a kid. He was a firefighter and a servant leader in his community and church. My regret was that I dropped out at Webelos and wasnt part of his Boy Scout troop. I still see him at church. It wasn't until I was an adult that I appreciated all he did for us kids and it wasn't until I went thru WB until I realized that I was following in his footsteps and making a difference in boy's lives like he had in mine. It isn't about the beads, it's about the heart of a person and that should always be recognized.