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The SM was NOT disapproving the project, the project itself was fine, he told the boy he would not sign off on the project until he started getting more active in the troop again and start attending meetings. SO, the SM refused to sign ANYTHING until the boy became more active in the troop again. The boy did not have time to change anything or fight anything. At the time he only had weeks until his 18th bday.

OOPS I mean he did his Eagle Project anyway without the SM signature. The Scout went ahead with is project after getting guidance from the Council who told the boy to go ahead with his project with out SM approval. The SM refused to sigh before and after the project. Also SM and CC refused to sign application.

I am sure glad it came out this way and it didnt let a boy fall thru the cracks. It is a good sign for a boy I know who is in the same boat right now. He has completed everything for EAGLE and his Eagle application was turned in just days before he turned 18 BUT, The Scoutmaster Refused to give approval for the boys Eagle Project, which the boy completed with SM signature The Scoutmaster gave a Scoutmaster conference BUT it was so the Scoutmaster could tell the boy what he needs to change The Scoutmaster refused to sign off for being active in the troop The Scoutmaster refused to sign the Eagle application The CC also refused to sign the boys Eagle application stating he is backing his SM. The boys is just hoping his application will be approved since he has now turned 18 and he still needs an EBOR and a long appeal process may not be good.

Beavah, I know how it works, I have been active in scouts for 38 years starting as a cub. I have started packs and troops, ive been committee member and ASM and many other positions, but when BSA says one thing and the SM says well thats not how I am going to do it, is that really how you think it is supposed to be ? The SM really gets to make his own rules even if they directly contradict BSA RULES? Im not talking about judgment calls, im talking about rules in black and white.

I guess none of this really matters since some Scout Masters are still making their own rules.(This message has been edited by source)

I am not the youth or the parent, in fact we are not even in that troop anymore, my son and I left that troop for other reasons. We just stay in contact with some of the people the troop still.

Its sad when a Scout and his parents are being forced to appeal to the Council because the SM, troop, and district refuse to accept the new definition of ACTIVE, even when it says (Units may not create their own definition of active; this is a national standard.) and the SM is still makes his own rules.

We are not talking about POR, his POR has been done LONG ago, he has been a life Scout for several years, infact he has gone well above and beyond until the last year or so, all he had left where a couple merit badges and his project. He is now done EVERYTHING, BUT it seems the BE ACTIVE IN YOUR TROOP is biting him on the rear now.(This message has been edited by source)

SO by this new definition if a Life Scout is going to school full time and working 30 hours a week and can not make the meetings or most activities, if he stays in contact with the Unit Leader, then the SM can NOT turn him down for Eagle for not being active in his troop ? Correct ?

Well END OF STORY .... SM and a ASM talked to both boys involved then talked to the Adult that was accused. He he admitted to going to far and not stopping when one of the boys asked him to stop. He says it was not sexual but he should of stopped. The ASM and SM went to the CC with all the information. The CC let the Chartering Organization know what happened and the accused adult leader was asked to leave the troop and he did without question. The CC did contact the parents of the boys to make sure the stories he heard where correct since he heard them 2nd or 3rd hand. He also apologized to the parents and let them know the accused adult will no longer be in the troop. The SM stepped and did his job the way it should be done and system that BSA has in place seems to have worked properly in this case.

My son is 12 right now and is very capable of getting his EAGLE before he turns 13. He has done all the work on every requirement for every MB and RANK. BUT has a EAGLE myself and a ASM, ive already told by son he WILL NOT be an EAGLE before he is 14. I told him he will need to have more leadership responsibility and skills, before I allow him to become and EAGLE. He will have enough MBs to get thru his first 2 palms when he makes EAGLE, but I want to make sure he has the leadership also to become a GOOD EAGLE.

Thank you very much for all your answers and statements. I have found out that this is not the first issue with this adult leader and the Committee Chairman has another complaint about him and he will be asked to leave the troop.

OK let me ask this. Would any of you consider another adult hitting or pinching your sons butt or thighs on a campout inappropriate or sexual ?

I am the parent of one of the boys and a ASM in the troop. By any parent especially the parents whos Scouts where involved, the touching was inappropriate. It was not in a sexual manner BUT was in areas that any parent would consider inappropriate areas for adults to be touching a child on a Scout event.

I can a sure you it is not a witch hunt. It is really more a new troop and learning issues and growing pains and knowing the right course of action. It may seem as a witch hunt sometimes because I am the only one in our troop that will actually speak up about issues, weather they are mine or someone else who came to me and is scared to say anything. I have 35 years experience as a Scouter, but many of the last years have been CUBS and Webelos and just the last couple years back in Boy Scouts. MANY things have changed since I was a Scout and a ASM back in the 70's and 80's Things are not handle the same now as they once where, and I dont want to over step my boundaries, I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing and the SM and other ASMs are doing the right thing with the boys in mind.