skeptic

It is interesting to note that many of the Eagles noted in various synopses of those that succeeded well above the average reached that level before 14. Now we really cannot count the first couple due to the inconsistent requirements, but they both were 13 (not absoltuely sure about the second one, but was young), and you had to be 12 to even join. That would indicate that the spark to earn Eagle is just part of the broader personality likely to surpass the norm in society, and hopefully contribute in a positive way. Of course we also have a few in that category we prefer to not admit to, as occasionally is brought to our attention. On the other hand, most of my Eagles that have shown above average contributions so far, were the the last minute ones for the most part; they were so busy with other things that they struggled to fit it all in, but gradutated in the top 2% of their high school classes and were in student government, church, and sports too. So, while I do not push them to get there too soon, I do try to encourage them to learn. If they get there sooner, great; but it is mostly their choice.

Yep; I'm with you on this on Calico.

Does not compute.

Top 10 Logical Fallacies in Politics (in no particular order) 1. Ignoratio elenchi = rebuttal failing to address the central argument 2. Argumentum ad hominum = attack the man not the argument 3. Straw man argument = misrepresenting opponent’s position 4. Slippery slope = if one small step is taken, it will inevitably lead to the extreme 5. Special pleading = a theory which cannot be disproved therefore is true (a South Park favorite) 6. Single cause = an intellectual shortcut 7. Appeal to motive/association = motive somehow negates truth 8. Argumentum ad populum = if the majority holds a certain belief, it must be true 9. Argumentum ad mentum = appealing to fears, insecurities, or paranoia 10. Argumentum ad nauseam = if it is repeated often enough, people will believe it (but that doesn’t make it true)

I wore them on occasion in the seventies; also had one as an explorer in the early sixties. Have half a dozen various ties in my collection. Besides green, there was blue and brown, as well as the newer versions with designs, such as Eagles. The earlier ones are all narrow.

It surprises me how negative some comments are about this process. Yes, a large percentage of the letters received are predictably bland and supportive. But, a small percentage can and occasionally do shed light on an aspect of the candidate that might never have been seen otherwise. Much depends on how the letter writer approaches this request. Letters of reference are still often required in job applications and certainly when applying for many scholarships and other special placement activities such as accompanying a scientific group as a youth member on a project, or participating in something like Boy's or Girl's State programs. So why should not references be important to the Eagle process? In our council the scoutmaster is expected to write a recommendation as well. Some would say that is redundant, but simply approving an applicant does not shed much light on the applicant's interactions within the unit, which is really what the reason is for that request. Unfortunately, few leaders say anything other than yes, he is a great scout and nice kid. Again though, on occasion something comes up from one that is beneficial to the review. The best thing to come out of parental letters I have experienced in the reviews on which I have sat are behind the scene reflections on how well the scout lives up to the law and oath on the family level, and occasionally clarifying the family dynamic we seldom really see. And, at least for me, who bacame an Eagle before projects were a part, references were truly important when community leaders, who often barely knew the candidate, sat on the review. Would have to go back and look at Star and Life back then, but I remember being asked to submit letters for those ranks as well. We often hear the comment that the Eagle board is sort of like their first job interview. And, depending on the type of job, references often are asked for, and even letters if the job offerer chooses that avenue rather than calls. While seldom would a letter disqualify a candidate, it is an important part of the learning process, which is part of the reason scouting exists.JMHO of course based on 40 years or so of adult activity.

Someone is always going to be offended, just to be offended. It is in their building and they are your CO; it should not even be an issue. No one is asking the observers to change their beliefs. They are simply representing the Catholic Church.

As noted, it is available on eBay. It was one of the pieces put out by National Supply in Rockwell prints. Big challenge is getting it at a conservative price. Good luck.

Obviously not in the west.

Over the years I have found a number of real ones at flea markets for under $20. While obviously worn, they were presentable. Found a brand new one in an antique store years ago, still in its shipping box from National supply, for $25. That is the one I use most of the time, though only for formal stuff or assemblies at scout camp. Otherwise, mostly a now beatup floppy brim from an outdoor vendor with a 60's version SM patch attached to the front. The last campaign hat I bought was last February, in a press, for under $30 at, of all places, our annual memorabilia live auction. Small council with sparse attendance, so many things go for good prices.

Ultimately, we define ourselves. So, sometimes we may want to take a careful look in a mirror or into our past actions for reevaluation.

Scouting is not a list of experiences to be ticked off as quickly as possible. Scouting is not a foot race to the finish line of achieving Eagle. Scouting is a progressive journey that leads a boy from stage to stage with his parents, his family, his fellow Scouts, his community, and (perhaps most importantly) himself.

" a society so afraid of itself that it has become socially stagnant with PCism." Like this description Stosh; but watch out, some do not believe we have such issues.

Heaven is not a vague something somewhere up in the sky, but is right here in this world in your own heart and surroundings. - B.P

Tomorrow is election "daze". While the reality is that nothing substantially constructive will come from it, you still should be sure to exercise your right to VOTE. Even though the gridlock will likely continue, there may be a small chance that change may begin somewhere, at least on local levels.

Aside from an optional Eagle merit badge, sustainability appears to be an important part of the forward looking BSA plans. Wonder how many local councils will work towards these types of goals within their own councils and connected properties. Certainly most camps likely have some opportunity to move to more sustainable programs and facilities. http://www.scoutingnewsroom.org/blog/bsas-first-sustainability-report-creates-roadmap-for-future-efforts/

LeCastor Because they like where they are, and the son of the parents that started it originally for their daughter is in the boy scout troop there. They also are tired of fighting the strictures of the AHG group. Our local GS council is trying to improve their outreach, so they are giving it another try, especially now that the daughter and her friends ar bit older. ​

We have had a well functioning AHG here for about two years, and they just lost their charter because the central organization did not like the sponsoring church's beliefs and welcoming attitude. So, obviously, they are sticking to their guns. But that will surely make it never get very big. Fits a need for some, but not the powerhouse group some hoped it might become. The local unit is now rechartering as a GS unit.

Here is a link to the National transfer form which is still available. This has been in existence for many years with little change. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/524-401WB.pdf

Original Fieldbook from 1944; still one of the best reference books on outdoors ever compiled.

Policy states that no parent or legal guardian can be stopped from observing BSA activities. I believe they can be barred from staying at long term camps without proper vetting. Am surprised that the use of SSN by the military was not noted. When I joined the AF in 1965 I was given a military number; about half way through my enlistment, they deactivated it and replaced it with my SSN. Do not know if that is still the case now. I also have my SSN as my Medicare id. Caution with all types of identification is important, but reality is that even those most vigilant in this regard still sometimes have problems. Be careful, but do not be paranoid.

My observations when in public with scouts in uniform is that they are still perceived positively and engender fond memories in many adults, even ones in their 20's and 30's. We do get an occasional negative confrontation, usually related to the PC nonsense. But, the understanding of the program itself is not nearly so clear to many because the media no longer chooses to have much on Scouting unless it is political or negative. At least a couple of times I have had young people mention they had seen an Eagle project in a public place and was impressed; and when we are out helping on Memorial Day and such, people go out of their way to say thank you. Personally, I think the mostly unheard public is a lot more supportive of Scouting and general morally directed groups than many might realize; but they no longer feel comfortable letting it be known because of the very outspoken and often rude opinions that a few have.

Not that I have seen. But, if rechartering and it will expire before the charter takes effect, it needs to be done. "I have been told" they will finally simply not recharter anyone without current dates at the start of the charter.

"With this in mind, I recommend we all go camping as soon and as often as possible." And let's be sure we sleep under the stars in a group and have a generic discussion of the infinite universe we are gazing at.

Not sure too many would want to partake of "raw poopy seed oil" drinks; but that is just me.