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Not sure what you are saying. It specifically states "respect others' beliefs" and does not mention anything about monotheism or otherwise. Pretty broad and subjective it seems to me. But, whatever floats your boat, as some say.

It is often expected to identify if you are part of the group. At many COH's they even have all the Eagles gather around in some manner. For years at our Eagle recognition gatherings they would do some type of "who is the earliest Eagle here" type of thing. But, bragadocio is misplaced too often and can be annoying. But, Kind is one of the points of the Law. So, smile and go with the flow. I have learned after decades that it is not worth the sour stomach to let it bother me.

Well; youo certainly hit the nail squarely. As one of our leaders growled last week when I mentioned the apparent sale of our only remaining camp; "If it means money, they do not care how it affects the units."

There is a certain irony that National grew from the need to respond to the trenches where Scouting struggled to survive, but was locally vibrant for the times. And now, when we are back to struggles in similar chasms, they seem to be unaware of reality too often. Our local council seems too often to simply not get that most volunteers simply want to be kept in the loop. Our successes are almost all unit based, and seldom noted by Council, unless they find issue.

I can relate to that to some extent. One way to combat the repetitiveness is after the recitation, ask for an example or two from the group of a particular point. Or discuss briefly the intent of the Law, including that it is not 12 laws, but one Law with 12 points. I also like to contrast it at times with the Ten Commandments in regard to the phrasing. The commandments say "Thous Shalt Not", while the Law says it is a given taht a Scout is .

Just reinforces the concept of how this, along with many similar type of cases takes advantage of people. Another reason to completely overhaul our legal systems. Or so it seems anyway.

Understand that none of the past uniform designs is ever disallowed. Current patches can be added in place of old ones, though really old styles can be difficult. But frankly, when the effort is made, they look really cool, and the youth tend to like them.

National should partner with all of the thrift store chains, and other similar stores to have Uniform options for all scouts and even leaders. We have a uniform closet in our church that helps our members, and we share it with other units if they ask. Many of our members are vintage to start, and many stay that way. Before we lost our camp, we always took a box of service caps and a few Smokey hats with us for flag gatherings. Now we use them for occasional local events.

Logging on issues?? Keeps saying they cannot find the site, or eventually does come up but then drags. Any thoughts or help? Using Windows 11 and Chrome, but also happens with other brousers.

From what I have dug up, our unit always paid its own way, though it was often enhanced by people within the larger Church Family who donated generously. And, while we may soon get out from the "Council" in theory, CO shadow, the use agreement is solid. Here is a just posted on FB Church link, for example. The Scouts have always helped the church when we needed them. It is now our turn to help the scouts. What perfect way to say thank you, and we are glad you are here. If you have some extra time and would like to help, the Church Office has a list of chores that can be done at any time. Give Kathleen a call or email because many hands make light work.

Basically, from my area info, there was/is an ongoing rift in the larger denomination related to the Acronym issues. World wide, the scism is huge, again related to the social changes. But it is really most of the oldline protestant denominations that have suffered due to changing community views and fewer churched families. The concept of families attending church together has fallen away, partly due to the societal changes, but frankly also due to many families having struggles just to keep themselves going, and the Church often did not respond well. Still, spirituality is often apparently seen as personal, and the dictates of old line denominations that could not respond affected responses. Somehow our congregations continue to serve the community and while now very small, are functioning and adjusting. But the community resouce the church is makes it a survivor. We are not likely to ever see the pattern of the last century.

At least inn our neck of the woods, So Cal, I still see a lot of confusion with our longest lasting units that tend toward starting with Methodists. The "workaround?" that in theory protects the Church from direct legal problems is confusing and in some areas still, apparently seen as a line in the sand. We are fortunate that our particular small (once very large) congregation loves the units we have in the basement and comes out in force when we have fundraising events. We also help as possible with many things within the church, but it is also struggling, as are most mainline Protestant churches, to maintain. We have three small congregations with two pastors serving them in the area. One location, while still in the district and area, is being slowly redeveloped in hand with local efforts for the homeless and similar issues. An affordable housing project is currently in process on what was once a large parking lot for the defunct church. But, its main buildings are still serving the community through the conglomerate maintained. We still seem to have at least three, maybe four Methodist-affiliated unit families in the council, but pinning it down is hard, as the charter is fuzzy, at best.

Guess I have heard "mansplaining" before, but it struck me this time and made me smile. I suppose there is a related term, "womansplaining", though not sure that is possible. 😃

Cooperative uses of propeties by youth serving groups, and family serving entities should be a no brainer. Looking at the history of BSA, it is hard to imaging what may have evolved WITHOUT the YMCA and the involvement of community groups. We now have NO camps, yet the GS camp sits empty much of the year, and they choose to NOT make it easily used by Scouting America. It seems logical to me, but what do I know, that all of these groups should be designing cooperative involvements, not just for camping on owned properties that are still viable, but also for programming. The often over used "it takes a family" seems to fit here. Early towns survived by cooperative methods. While religions have slipped to the background in modern society, the silent familial opportunities still fill a huge hole in betterment of society. Another otion might be for the large corporated outdoor and sports corporations enter into the saving of camps still there, but slipping, and develop coordinated events with updated facilities, open not ALL youth serving groups, perhaps on the traditional Summer Camp model, but also in special camps to support the environment and to introduce the trades and so on. So many options that go untried for whatever excuse, while billions of dollars are wasted on foolishness and destruction of our world.

While that surely was part of the issue, it also was a time when lawsuits for slander were far more common and likely to be won. We can discuss or beat it to death; it was NOT today. Societal norms have changed, but even now there is considerable fear of slander, even with the more liberal responses from the courts. There is more than enough blame to go around, both in the past BSA actions, or lack of, but also in the fact that many authorities were unwilling to follow up, and even many families did not want stuff out in the public. As has been noted more than once, none of the survivors or victims are ever going to be made whole, and we can only work to try to do better and follow the newer standards, in SA, as well as perhaps in the larger society. The horse is well whipped, but the crop needs to be at hand just in case. As I have said before, I have no solution other than to pray for a modicum of peace for those that need it, and for somehow society to take the needed responsibility more often than not. We cannot change the past nor cure it, but only move forward with better choices and reactions.