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Scout and Explorer: 1955-1962; Eagle<br /><br />
Scouter: ASM 1966-67; Member at Large, NESA rep 1976; Unit Commissioner 1977; SM 1977-Present; RT staff off and on 1979-Present; Jamborees: Scout, 1960; ASM, 1985; Staff, 2010. Miscellaneous participation in training and so on since 1979; Woodbadge with 3 beads, including both old and new course material. <br /><br />
Scouting Historian of Sorts; one of the larger accumulations of literature and related ephemera in So Cal focused on history and sociology of the program, as well as unusual connections such as comics and advertising. Mount 2-3 displays per year for council and/or district, and occasionally unit.<br /><br />
OA; Ordeal 1959 at Camp Arataba summer camp; Brotherhood 1960 building Helendade (then Running Springs SR); Vigil 1987 VCC.<br /><br />
SB; Youth Religious 1961, Adult 1980's; Miscellaneous "being around a long time awards".<br /><br />
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BA 1971 UCR; Teaching Credential 1975 CSULB.
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skeptic started following Another lawsuit and of course Media hype. Follow the rules people. , From mile marker 248,655 , Our Organizational is Not Agile and 2 others
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I find it interesting that we are seeing basically an updated version of the first moon program. And the same lines of interest amazingly reappear with the youth. HMMM. Could we, as a society, maybe keep the strongest building blocks and share their evolutionary options as bait for the youth? While I have concerns about the worst of the video game intrusions on some, I also see what appears to be serious parallels to the huge science charge the first decade of the space race. No good science is wasted, and often reintroductions of some concepts may lead to unique new concepts and developments. That after all is what comes from the challenges, some of which may stem from the scary video game concerns. How many of the current day "normal" things were seen in fiction and earlier science probes? When was the last time someone made a list of how many now basic tools and concepts came from the Race to the Moon? Not only Tang. Think about how much easier outdoor activities are with the developments that reach back to the prep for the moon. How many new materials are mainstream in tents, packs, navigation, and so on? Young people are often ignored with their idea, yet once in a while those same youth make amazing things, on their own, like the young woman that developed the way to separate micro plastic from the water.
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You cannot take Scouting out of the larger community or its issues. You can fliter that community through the tenets of Scouting to make the community hopefully better. YP or whatever the current name is, represents a positive feedback into those larger communities, and the concepts continue to evolve and get stronger, which in turn helps both the program, and those it serves.
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Another lawsuit and of course Media hype. Follow the rules people.
skeptic replied to skeptic's topic in Issues & Politics
And if that person became the character on Ghosts it would still be the fault of Scouting America,etal. At least in this country. -
Another lawsuit and of course Media hype. Follow the rules people.
skeptic replied to skeptic's topic in Issues & Politics
What if's are the worst problem, as we now live in a society that makes them more important than they should be and there is a legal vulture just waiting. But, we also seem afraid to just be normal and use commn sense within the given framework. No answer to most of it due to our specific "blame" society. -
Another lawsuit and of course Media hype. Follow the rules people.
skeptic replied to skeptic's topic in Issues & Politics
Suspect this is not a coincidence. It was sent to leaders on the list for Scouting Safety. Note the heading. " Scouting Safety Newsletter: SAFE Checklist Revisited! Aol/Old Mail Scouting America www.scouting.org From:[email protected] Unsubscribe To:[email protected] Thu, Mar 26 at 3:03 PM View Online S is for Supervision Scouting America’s SAFE Checklist is the primary methodology we use to help ensure all Scouting America activities are conducted safely. While Scouting America expects leaders to use the four points of SAFE when delivering the Scouting Program, this article will be focusing on the first point: Supervision Our movement has always worked on the concept of youth-led adventure, supervised by qualified and trustworthy adults. Today we codify this concept in the SAFE Checklist. Adults supervising youth: Accept the responsibility for the well-being and safety of youth under their care Ensure that adults are adequately trained, experienced and skilled to lead the activity, including the ability to recognize and respond to likely hazards and potential emergencies Know and deliver the program of Scouting America with integrity Use qualified instructors, guides or safety personnel as needed to provide additional guidance Maintain engagement with participants during activities to ensure compliance with established rules and procedures Supervision is not a checkbox step in Scouting, or a one and done. Rather, supervision is the continually occurring process leaders use to ensure adventures have safe and positive outcomes. Scouters must be honest about assessing their knowledge in any given subject to ensure they have the knowledge, skills and abilities to recognize hazards and respond to them properly. Units often need to be strategic and help ensure their adult leaders have the correct training for planned adventures throughout the year. Remember, your council can help connect you with upcoming training activities. Scouters’ knowledge also extends to the program of Scouting America. One way to think of that is to understand “what chapter and page” you are in the Scouting program. If you can’t find an activity in our official materials, that is a good sign it is not aligned with our program goals. An adult leader should only deliver official program-approved materials from qualified subject matter experts. Lastly, supervision means being involved in activities so that you can detect hazards before they occur and help ensure participants are engaged properly. Supervision is not just watching the exits, but being involved in the moment with Scouts, which also demonstrates what real leadership looks like. Visit Scouting America’s Safety Moment landing page here! If you have a safety moment idea for the Scouting Safely website, share your draft with us at [email protected], and we’ll consider it for publication. If you have questions, email us for guidance or support. Together, let’s grow a strong Culture of Safety in Scouting! Read this month's newsletter here. Resources: SAFE Checklist Guide to Safe Scouting Scouting America Code of Conduct" -
Yup; I had a similar issue due to changes in codes for training and changing council. It took a number of reviews with our fabulous registrar to get it all fixed, but now it does show up on the records. The one thing that does not show in training is the completion of PTC courses. Have taken a number of them, both district, council, and unit, along with the special on Historical material. As noted, keep the certs and such. My OA entry was as a youth in 1959 in a defunct council. Have the cards. But, also misplaced a few items and simply redid the update rather than wrestle with it. I just thought about my PTC comment. Would that not be something National might review and fix, especially specialized courses that qualify people for less common areas? If nothing else, they could add a PTC section to the records.
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While this seems true, I am not convinced it is. On the other hand, I do perceive that many have turned inward, so to speak, and are tring to find the path that will allow the real Scouting to again bloom. But, I also am seeing far too many "giving up", or simply retreating to do what they feel will work, regardless of pressures from the outside. Scouting is best in my worn views when shared with a broader group of youth and adults. BP called it aa brotherhood, and it still is if we allow it. How to allow it with the issues we face is the greater struggle. I hope my great grand nephew, who has an Eagle father, and a Scouting believer as a GF will still experience the better possibilities. Would I live to see him also become an Eagle, or simply like his GF, a firm believer in the Spirit of Scouting. We have a gathering of Leaders locally at a breakfast on Saturdy coming, and the interhanges from the first two of these recently institued sharings has proven worthwhile. The Merit Badge events, for example have been over hauled and are getting better and more focused on the actual requirements. Also, they are nown being broken up to fewer badges, instead focusing on just a dozen or fewer. Still a long way to go, and I am still fighting with them to recognize the need to put our history forward, as well as sevice beyond the "big" events. Community is still silently behind the ideas of Scouting, but they too seem to be holding their brath to see if we can fight our way back. Time will tell, and hopefully I may hold on long enough to see the larger steps.
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This old guy feels as if it does matter and we should stop accepting these types of things and putting some honesty back into our units and setting a better example. Probably, and sadly, you are likely to be more correct than I am, and we seem to have lost sight of much of the best Character examples we have tried to exemplify over time. But, maybe not??
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One of the things that has I have often felt as a leader is that the concept of breadth in merit badge options should be reinstated. IN the fifties and sixties we had the required badges of the time, but also a "selection" from a number of categories which broadened the picture. It was similar to the once required college breadth for graduation that included classes from the less common areas, including art and music. That, in my opinion, leads to a bit more depth of knowledge and the world in general. What might be the thoughts on this being reinstated in a more modern manner?
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Another lawsuit and of course Media hype. Follow the rules people.
skeptic replied to skeptic's topic in Issues & Politics
Absolute safety is a mirage. Sometimes things just happen, even with every precaution. And every effort to find perfection will fail, no matter what. And in this country, the legal vultures constantly circle because we let them. -
With my long beard (not reaally, it will not grow long), I have the imagined perspective of a seasoned adult. And that is the point. How many of the issues we see posted here would simply solve themselves if we, you know, "act" like adults? Hmmmm!
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Another lawsuit and of course Media hype. Follow the rules people.
skeptic replied to skeptic's topic in Issues & Politics
In our society, that is the United States of America, the legal systme is so twisted that it does not protect most of us and can be rigged or leveraged to generally put the onus on those with the least ability to fight it. And personal responsibility too often is brushed aside by the "corporate", especially the insurance industry. Meanwhile, ridiculous payments continue to be made when someone can leverage the system effectively. And, when the insurance is forced to pay, it is likely the insured will be priced out of future insurance of dropped all together. Even small claims can lead to increased cost to the insured, whether or not they have had others. If somebody has no claim for ten years, yet pays on time and fulfills that obligation, why is it legal or seen as acceptable for the company to then drop them or raise their rates drastically? It is a Catch 22. -
https://www.fox10tv.com/2026/03/04/family-claims-5-year-old-was-beaten-cub-scout-meeting-while-pack-leader-was-outside-vaping/ After reviewing this and a number of other related pieces from the ether, I cannot say anynthing else but: FOLLOW THE RULES AND BE ADULTS. I am sure the whole story will never be shared, but the basics indicate a lack of paying attention, both by the leaders and the parent. Does it equate to a huge settlement? In our society, it likely will. Should it? In my view, no; but that is not the legal world in which we here exist. Balance and fairness, not "wind all you can". (hmmmm).
